Matt Connarton Unleashed 9-12-26

0:04 Speaker 1: You're listening to Matt Connerton Unleashed on WMNH 95.3.

0:33 Speaker 2: While a new day begins Maybe through another obvious disaster This wasn't the first time But.

0:42 Speaker 3: If I lose my grip While holding on to everything that matters Well, it keep me from falling I don't need this sickness all of my life Please wipe the past out of my eyes I feel.

1:23 Speaker 4: I know it feels like, feels like I'm drowning Where have I been?

1:26 Speaker 5: Seems like I'm looking for an answer I'm still.

1:30 Speaker 6: In the same place.

1:54 Speaker 3: I know it feels like.

2:44 Speaker 6: I don't need this.

2:44 Speaker 3: I don't need this. Please wipe the flesh.

2:54 Speaker 7: Out of my eyes.

2:55 Speaker 4: I feel, I know it feels like, feels like I'm...

3:22 Speaker 4: I can't breathe.

3:49 Speaker 6: Thank you.

4:29 Speaker 8: Welcome, everybody. Here we go. It is that time again. Matt Connerton Unleashed, and we are live from the studios of WMNH 95.3 FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. If you are listening live, today is Saturday, September 12, 2026. Welcome, of course. And you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to our, hey, go to the new website, mattconnertonunleashed.com. I know I've been talking about it for months, but it's very new now because it's finally, I can say it's finally pretty much done. You know, we'll be adding more content to it, obviously, but mattconnertonunleashed.com.

5:08 Speaker 8: You can also still go to mattconnerton.com slash unleashed. for all your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera. But I've been working really hard on the new site and I'm pretty proud of it. So please check it out. We've got a great show for you today, but there's a specific reason why I opened the show with drowning. by the band Chasing the Devil, and that was a last-minute decision. The reason why I decided to play that this morning, to open up, and then I'll talk about the great guests that we have coming up.

5:38 Speaker 8: So, if you are a regular, consistent listener of the show, you might remember a number of weeks ago, I did sort of a spontaneous unofficial tribute to the band because, uh, chasing the devil had announced that they're all done. Uh, they are no longer, uh, an entity, uh, after I think five or six years, you know, and, uh, I know those guys, you know, and, um, great, great guys, great band, you know, uh, always, uh, Jay Bella, whenever I see him always gives me a big hug. And, um, So I was very bummed that they were calling it quits, but that's how these things go.

6:14 Speaker 8: And so I played a bunch of their songs because we had always been the first radio station to play them. And this show, we would always do a world radio premiere whenever they had a new single coming out. And so I just played a bunch of their songs because we had a little bit of time that week when they announced that they were all done.

6:33 Speaker 9: So, but.

6:35 Speaker 8: that morning and if you were listening to the show that morning you might know that for some reason that song that i just played drowning i could not find that song it was very weird so i played beautiful nightmare which was their debut single and that was when we actually had them on the show too for an interview and um and then like i said you know uh subsequently every time they released a new single we would do a world radio premiere for it here on the show but So I played a bunch of their songs that morning that, again, I was kind of doing an unofficial tribute, a eulogy, if you will, for the band.

7:10 Speaker 8: But I could not find Drowning. It was very strange. Well, I found it this morning, no problem. So I said, you know what? It's a good high-energy song, good way to start the show. I'm going to open with that. So there it is. So I've completed the loop, if you will. on my little tribute to the band. So there it is, Drowning by Chasing the Devil, to open the show today. We do have a great show for you. I do want to remind you quickly, and we'll talk about it again. In fact, we'll be talking about this a lot in the third hour, and there's a reason why.

7:40 Speaker 8: But next week, I can't believe it's already here. Next weekend, Saturday, one week from today, again, for those of you listening live on September 12th. Next week, Saturday, September 19th, is Swarmyfest. the fifth annual Swarmy Fest, this great music festival that our friends in Sepsis put on every year. A little early this year. In past years, I think it's always been in November. This is the first time it's in September. So we're getting a little early this year, which is cool. But as always, Matt Connerton Unleashed is one of the official sponsors of the program.

8:14 Speaker 8: So this show is involved and we will be there soon. Jenny and I will be there. We're very excited about that. We always look forward to Swarmy Fest. So that is Saturday, September 19th, coming right up. Doors open at 7. Show starts at 7.30, and it is at Jewel Music Venue, which is not that it necessarily means anything to you if you don't know the area, but it's actually right across the street from the radio station, right on the other side of Granite Street. So Jewel Music Venue, It's actually 61 Canal Street is the address.

8:47 Speaker 8: But, yep, $ 12 for tickets, $ 12 in advance, $ 20 at the door, $ 18 plus, $ 21 with ID to drink. So one of the bands that is going to be performing at Swarmy Fest this year is The Grey Curtain. and Dennis and Troy from the gray curtain are going to be here with us live in studio and third hour of the show today. So really looking forward to that next week on the show. I don't know exactly how it's going to go yet. I've kind of left it up to William from sepsis, you know, cause they're, they're the ones who put on the show.

9:22 Speaker 8: I'm waiting for him to tell me, and this is kind of how we've done it every year. He'll tell me who he's got coming in that day on the show. So obviously, you know, everybody who's performing, they'll be in town for the show. So we'll get, we'll get some of those bands and it usually works out pretty well. It's a lot of fun, but I might not know until the last minute, but we'll get some of the bands that are going to be performing that day. We'll get them in here to talk to them, to do some last minute hype for the show.

9:48 Speaker 8: But Swarmy Fest is a lot of fun. Uh, the lineup that I'm looking at, unless anything has changed is Sepsis, PH, Texera. I'm never sure how to say that. The Gray Curtain I mentioned, Grim the Acronym, Elder P. Sloan, who was here with us on the show just a few weeks ago, Singe, and 3FD. So that's the lineup as far as I know. Again, these things have a way of changing. Cards subject to change, as they say in the wrestling business. But again, this show is one of the official sponsors, along with Loud Entertainment.

10:20 Speaker 8: So really looking forward to that. We've got to get them back on to Loud Entertainment. So that will be Saturday, September 19th at Jewel Music Venue, 61 Canal Street. Doors open at 7 p.m. Hope to see you there. And we'll be there representing. And Swarmy Fest is always a great time, always a lot of fun. The lineup is incredible. And it's going to be another great show this year, I'm sure. And like I said, if you are listening live on Saturday, coming up in the third hour, we're going to have Troy and Dennis from The Gray Curtain here with us in studio.

10:51 Speaker 8: And of course, we'll talk about Swarmy Fest as well as catch up with everything that those guys have been doing. Coming up in just a few minutes on the show, we're going to have the guys from, and I know I'm not pronouncing this correctly, and when we get them online with us, we'll You know, they can tell me the correct way to say it. T-N-C-E. I know I'm not saying that correctly. But that is the name of the project. And it actually is Charlie Wardle and John T. Wardle. And they've created this album.

11:24 Speaker 8: It's called Mystic Liverpool, The Beatles, A Psychedelic Songbook. And so they, you know, it takes some guts to do this, but it's actually an album of Beatles covers. And I'm really looking forward to talking with them. Their father is John Wardle, better known professionally as Jawobble, who has been on the show. We had him on a number of weeks ago. And what a fascinating guy to talk to. And of course, if you know anything about him, you know from public image limited courses association with uh...

11:52 Speaker 8: you know he's uh... known for uh... beat his association with the sex pistols and you know really uh... but he continues to make new music and he's involved in this project as well so we really had a go back and listen to that if you haven't checked it out it was a really interesting conversation but his sons are gonna be with us uh... charlie wortel and john t wortel uh... talking about their new project in this album so that's coming up in just a couple minutes and we're actually in a play I think we're going to play, we'll go with I Am the Walrus in a moment.

12:19 Speaker 8: We're going to play that. And then in the second hour, we have Death by Love, another great project. One of these transcontinental projects. We're going to be talking with Pete Gwellard from that in the second hour today, for those of you listening live. So, but without further ado, I think we should get to it. Let's go ahead and listen to this again. This is a reinterpretation of I Am The Walrus that I can assure you is unlike anything you've heard before, but it's very interesting and I cannot wait to talk to these guys.

12:45 Speaker 8: So that will be, we'll have them on with us in just a few minutes, but here it is again. The album is called Mystic Liverpool, The Beatles, a psychedelic songbook. This is their interpretation of I Am The Walrus.

13:11 Speaker 10: She's in another cafe, waiting for the.

13:19 Speaker 11: Bus to come.

13:27 Speaker 12: Corporation T-shirt, stupid bloody choosy man, you.

13:30 Speaker 6: Bring your words to my body, will you please go now? I am the old man.

13:38 Speaker 12: They are the old men.

13:41 Speaker 6: Do the job.

13:43 Speaker 13: Mr.

13:44 Speaker 6: City, this man's sitting pretty little, this man ain't nothing.

13:52 Speaker 10: I'm crying. I'm crying. I'm crying. I'm crying.

14:21 Speaker 12: Yeah, don't matter, could stay.

14:25 Speaker 11: Drip me from a dead dog's eye.

14:29 Speaker 12: Grab her like a fish, rock on her like a priestess. Boy, you've been a Nazi, girl, you let your niggas down.

14:35 Speaker 6: I am the Eggman. They are the Eggman. I am the Eggman.

14:40 Speaker 12: I am the Eggman.

14:56 Speaker 6: Sitting in an English garden waiting for the sun If the sun don't come, you'll get.

15:03 Speaker 10: The time before I'm standing in the English rain I am the nightmare They.

15:06 Speaker 6: Are the nightmare I am the nightmare Don't go, don't go, don't go, don't go.

15:21 Speaker 11: Expert, expert, joking, smokers, don't you.

15:24 Speaker 14: Think the Joker.

15:25 Speaker 5: Lets it shoot?

15:29 Speaker 12: See how they smile like pigs in a star, see how they snipe.

15:34 Speaker 5: I'm crying.

15:37 Speaker 12: Sippin' in a peach drink.

15:40 Speaker 6: Climbin' up the Iron Tower.

15:45 Speaker 12: Elementary penguins singin' Hare Krishna, man, you should've seen him kickin' it.

16:02 Speaker 5: Go, go, go, go.

16:47 Speaker 6: Thank you.

17:04 Speaker 8: How cool is that? That is a very interesting interpretation of I Am the Walrus. And I believe we've got both John T. Wardle and Charlie Wardle on with us. Let me get this up here. Hey, guys, can you hear me okay?

17:21 Speaker 15: Can you hear me?

17:22 Speaker 8: Yes, yes. Welcome to the show. I'm excited to talk to you today.

17:27 Speaker 5: Hey, hey, guys.

17:28 Speaker 8: So we've got both John and Charlie with us, correct?

17:33 Speaker 15: That's right. I'm Charlie, and that's John.

17:36 Speaker 8: Okay, gotcha, gotcha. Okay, so before we go any further, too, tell me, how exactly do you pronounce the name of the project? Because I struggled with that, and I was trying to figure it out. But how do you say this? Is it T-N, and then how do you say the second word?

17:58 Speaker 16: T-N, like a trot sound for the cue. but you can say key. My dad called his 10 key.

18:06 Speaker 8: Oh, okay.

18:06 Speaker 15: It's easier to say.

18:07 Speaker 16: So I'm happy with 10 key. Um, but essentially John, can you say it better than that?

18:13 Speaker 13: Uh, cheese fine. But key, I think helps people find us. I think when you say cheese, it will confuse.

18:20 Speaker 8: Oh, good.

18:20 Speaker 17: Yeah.

18:20 Speaker 13: So Chinese speaking people in itself.

18:23 Speaker 8: That's, that's a really good point.

18:24 Speaker 18: Yeah.

18:24 Speaker 19: Okay.

18:25 Speaker 8: So T and key. Um, well, I'll, I'll go with that. Uh, so excellent. Well, listen, so this album, uh, This is pretty new, right? This just came out last month, about roughly a month ago, right? Through Cherry Red Records. And I really like it a lot. It's so interesting. Well, let's start with the obvious question. What is it that brought you guys into wanting to do this sort of reimagining of these Beatles songs? Because it's a pretty ambitious thing to do, right? The Beatles are sort of sacred and whatnot.

19:00 Speaker 8: And so to take these songs and and really kind of reimagine them the way that you have. What went into that decision? Why did you decide to do this?

19:12 Speaker 15: Do you want to answer, John?

19:13 Speaker 13: Yeah, I think, to be fair, it very much come from our dad. Sort of, he sort of, he come to us with the idea, really, didn't he? We, I think we just sort of finished Songs for Workers, was just coming to the end of working on a Irish sort of folk fusion sort of project that's not out yet anyway but okay we're just coming to the end of all that type of stuff he sort of came and said what would you think about doing a Beatles thing and at the time both me and Charlie were sort of like, what? Why a Beatles thing?

19:48 Speaker 13: And then it was sort of, to be fair, it was like, well, here's the tracks. I think they gave us about 20 tracks or something to pick from. It was like, these are the tracks that I'd recommend. The only two I'm going to say you have to do is Strawberry Fields and I Am The Walrus. And then the rest of them, he very much let us pick. And then To be fair, I get why. As soon as listening properly, especially the Harrison pieces, it was like, I get why he thinks this would be a good idea. And then saying that, it was really fun recording a lot of the tracks and playing a lot of the tracks, mixing, getting stuck in with it.

20:24 Speaker 13: It was really fun. As well as finding out more about the Beatles. It's just a fun project more than anything, I'd say.

20:32 Speaker 8: It's interesting that you mentioned your dad. He was on the show with us, I think it was a couple of months ago now, Of course, John Wardle, better known as Jawobble. And we had a fascinating conversation. He's such an interesting guy. I mean, I don't have to tell you, obviously, his vast musical career and history. Really enjoyed talking with him. So this whole thing came from him. And then, so, I mean, were you guys, to take this on, was it intimidating at all? Or did you just kind of jump right in and approach it head on?

21:07 Speaker 8: You know, you mentioned that You know, he gave you a couple songs that he felt were absolutely necessary to include. But I mean, were you nervous doing this or did you feel pretty confident that you could make something great?

21:22 Speaker 13: We didn't think too much. Of course, because it's the Beatles, if you think about it too much, you're of course going to get very nervous. Are we pulling it off right? It's the overthinking. To be fair, I think within a week, of him saying do it charlie had already sort of had the basis down for with and without you sort of turn that one round really quick yeah it sort of had the erhu part drones vocals everything sort of sorted within a week and then it was just down to putting bass and drums on so from there it really just got quick i think because in a way we turned it around fairly quick it didn't give us enough time to really think sort of overthink and start being like oh have we done it justice have we done this have we done that that we turned it around quick and really just once it was flowing, it just, everything came very quickly.

22:10 Speaker 8: Okay.

22:11 Speaker 20: Okay.

22:11 Speaker 8: When you say you turned it around quick, how long did it take to do the album?

22:17 Speaker 13: I think two, was it two months, maybe three, two or three months.

22:22 Speaker 15: And I think, I think a lot of that was mixing.

22:25 Speaker 16: I think the actual recording side was pretty like done within a few weeks.

22:29 Speaker 13: Yeah.

22:30 Speaker 16: Cause we didn't, we didn't really, I think even a song that maybe should have taken more, um, like Strawberry Fjords, which, you know, like, there's that bit where it changes kit.

22:40 Speaker 13: Yeah.

22:40 Speaker 16: And they kind of, what's the story? They mix two kind of tapes together.

22:44 Speaker 13: Two tapes, yeah. They splash somehow, yeah.

22:48 Speaker 15: Like, for sure, we could have, like, completely, like.

22:50 Speaker 16: Explored loads of different ways to do that, but I think we just removed the key change.

22:56 Speaker 13: Yeah, we couldn't work out how to do it with digital tech, how to splice them together.

23:02 Speaker 8: Oh, interesting.

23:02 Speaker 13: Where it sort of just slowly bends into a different key. We couldn't, we were just like, we'll do it. As well as having the, our mum plays the Guzheng, the Chinese harp on that, making her life a bit easier as well because the way it's tuned, then she doesn't have to retune for each section. She could just be tuned to a comfortable scale and play as well with that.

23:24 Speaker 8: Oh, that's interesting.

23:25 Speaker 17: Okay.

23:25 Speaker 19: Okay.

23:26 Speaker 8: And then how did you, how did you choose the songs? You know, you mentioned, you know, your dad picked two of them and said, you know, for the rest of them, it's up to you. I mean, how did you choose these? I assume, you know, because one of you did mention George Harrison and, and his, it's funny, it hadn't occurred to me until you said it, but he, I mean, he really did. He is the one. of the four who most brought that sort of psychedelic element.

23:52 Speaker 9: Right.

23:52 Speaker 8: So, I mean, was, was, were your song choices really heavily influenced by that kind of tilting that way and in Harrison's direction?

24:04 Speaker 13: Yeah, it's very much from the sort of psychedelic and Eastern leaning sort of stuff, heavy drones. And I know Charlie's into a lot of the, um, religious, spiritual and sort of philosophical side of a lot of it as well. And I think it was just definitely, I think once you're like with and without you, it's like, right, we know what we're going for with this. And then I think it's the, for me, it's the Eastern side and the psychedelic sort of side made sense for what we sort of already were doing in play and how it sort of fits what we allow our sound.

24:39 Speaker 13: And then I know Charlie has some other things looking into as well on that side of it.

24:45 Speaker 8: Sure, sure. And then you guys, did you guys grow up in Liverpool? Is that correct?

24:53 Speaker 13: Sort of. So we grew up in Manchester, which isn't too far from Liverpool, but our granddad ran a Chinese youth orchestra in Liverpool.

25:03 Speaker 8: Okay.

25:04 Speaker 13: So from, I was four, Charlie was three. We were learning traditional Chinese music with him in Liverpool every weekend. And obviously cause they were in Liverpool, we'd come back to see them a lot as well. So always sort of been back and forth between Manchester and Liverpool growing up.

25:21 Speaker 8: Oh, okay.

25:22 Speaker 6: Okay.

25:22 Speaker 8: Yeah. So you guys were obviously, you know, the, the Beatles were entirely unavoidable for you. Uh, certainly. Um, and, and I mean, in terms of, I'm really curious about how you approach these songs in terms of, um, Like, would you guys already have a pretty clear idea going into the studio what these were going to be? Or did some of that sort of change and grow organically while you were recording them? So I guess what I'm really asking is, did any of these come out really kind of drastically different from what you had envisioned going into the studio?

26:01 Speaker 8: Because like I said, to a listener, it sounds like something where there's a lot of experimentation going on here. with these songs. So did any of them really kind of change when you were recording them?

26:16 Speaker 13: I don't think too much. I think because in a way the melody side was already there. So we knew going into it straight away what the melodies would be. But then I think we still kept, it was a bit more remote working than how we usually do it.

26:32 Speaker 18: Okay.

26:32 Speaker 13: But we very much kept the sort of got either the melody or a drone or something there to play to, and then would just go and play. I'd just have a little bit of a basis, a little bit of structure of what I know I need to do, go in, record the drums, and then our dad would come, just put a bass line down, and then Charlie then, knowing what the melody would be, knowing what space he's got left to then play with the who and the mooring curve, he'd then sort of know, right, I need to do my vocals there, and then I'm going to do it.

27:04 Speaker 13: whatever instrument part there. Then from there, it was probably like the editing and the mixing side with delays, reverbs, things like that. That's probably where then it might go off slightly, but we didn't come in too much like this needs to sound like this, this needs to sound like that.

27:19 Speaker 8: Sure.

27:19 Speaker 13: Because it felt like even if we did that with the Beatles, it's never going to probably get to what you want it to sound like or it's never going to sound like how they've done it. So it was very much just come in with freedom and play and then take it from there.

27:33 Speaker 8: And then working with your dad. So did, did he play all the bass on the album?

27:41 Speaker 13: Yeah.

27:42 Speaker 8: And what was, what was that like?

27:44 Speaker 13: Yeah. Yeah. Every track he played bass.

27:46 Speaker 17: Okay.

27:47 Speaker 19: Okay.

27:47 Speaker 8: And what was that like working with him? Cause I, you know, obviously, you know, he's, he's, he's your father. You grew up with him, but then in the studio is, does it still feel like, like, is he dad in the studio or is it more like, okay, he's one of our peers and, when he's here in the studio with us, he's, he's a fellow musician and we're doing this project together. I mean, I'm just curious because, you know, I'm a musician, but I never had a chance to make music with a family member. I'm curious what, what, what that's like and how the, is the family dynamic still present when you're in the studio with him?

28:20 Speaker 8: Or is it just like, no, he's, he's, he's our, uh, he's a fellow musician, uh, and he's doing the baselines on the album. Like, like what's that like working with him?

28:31 Speaker 21: Yeah, it's different.

28:32 Speaker 13: I think you sort of switch off from that family side, even without realising, but you have to. Because he's very honest as well. If he didn't like something or he just thought it weren't working, he'd say that. He wouldn't hold back or anything. He'd treat it just like he's treating working with a random person for the first time or working with other collaborators he's worked with over the years. I don't think he treats it as a family thing. We have our family time and all that. That's separate.

28:57 Speaker 13: And of course... We are family, so me and Charlie might be able to speak to each other differently compared to if we were speaking to someone else. Charlie might be able to come over, sort of have a word with me, wind me up a little bit, and then I'll wind him up. We'll mess around that way. But yeah, so me and Charlie, we're brothers. We'll argue, we'll fight. But when he comes in, very much he will sort of, he'll just treat it like he treats very professional, sort of like, not sure about this, not sure about that.

29:25 Speaker 13: Try it this way, do this, and he'll guide it that way. And I think you end up sort of still family, but you'll switch off and treat it like, treat it proper. I think that's the way he'd say it. It's all got to be dealt with proper and sort of detached from that side of things. It's doing the music. and the music's the ultimate goal focus on that and then family times family time that's separate.

29:46 Speaker 8: That makes sense. And then, so what is, so the inverse of that being, what if you have to, like, was there ever a point where maybe he played something that you didn't feel was quite working for the song? I mean, and, and did that ever come up? And then you have to, you have to approach that with him. And if so, is that intimidating because he is your dad and now you have to say to him, I don't, I don't think this is quite working. Did anything like that come up during the recording?

30:14 Speaker 13: To be fair with this one, no. But I wouldn't want to be the one to... If it did ever come up, I wouldn't want to be the one to tell him, oh, I'm not sure about that.

30:22 Speaker 19: Right.

30:23 Speaker 13: But if we did, no. I'm pretty sure he'd take it well.

30:27 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. No, that's good. That's good. do you, I mean, do you plan to work with him more in the future? Are you going to do more projects together or like, I guess what's kind of the future trajectory? Because obviously, you know, you guys, uh, well, you can, I mean, you know, you're the sons of jaw wobble and you grew up with all these different influences. So, there's so many different directions you could go, uh, in the future. And, and you're, you know, you're obviously both very talented to pull this off.

30:56 Speaker 8: So, I mean, do you plan to do more with him? Are you going to do your own thing? What, what, what's kind of the, the future after, uh, after this album cycle, do you think?

31:08 Speaker 13: Uh, well, I think it would be a bit of both going forward. We still very much do our own duo stuff as well as work with him and other people as well. Uh, we got a jazz covers thing, which Charlie can, talk about because he's doing well with sort of talking on that one oh cool that one's coming out I forgot the date so I'll let you take over Charlie.

31:28 Speaker 16: Yeah we've done it we've just released take five I'll cover take five but I mean the whole thing for that project not dissimilar from the Beatles project and I think that's a I think I'd touch on adding to what you said about Harrison John with the Eastern thing and the psychedelic thing I think if there's one thing which unifies all of our project there is a spiritual leaning to all of it and like even songs for workers or even red mist there's always that kind of that i suppose it comes with the eastern thing as well but then just mine and john's natural approach to to life as well is probably quite spiritual but i know religion's been a big thing for my dad as well it's got him off drinking turned to buddhism so i think that like it's in the there's a spiritual thing within the family um but the jazz one i would say it's our first solo project So obviously we're very excited for it.

32:18 Speaker 15: The last three projects we've done with our dad, which have.

32:21 Speaker 13: Been very helpful.

32:22 Speaker 16: We've had more or less control over, especially Red Mist and Song for Work. It was kind of like our work and then our dad would put bass on it. Whereas The Beatles was maybe the other way around. I'd say it was more of John's and my dad's where they'd go to the studio and I'd just overdub. My job was pretty simple. It was just learn the melody. And then there were some songs where the melody was a bit different, like Strawberry Fields, whatever.

32:44 Speaker 15: Anyway, sorry, I'm rambling.

32:46 Speaker 16: But for the, um, for the jazz one, uh, yeah, it's all kind of like take five reimagined, uh, playing spiritually. I mean, my, um, I think that the thing with a sound, and even though like when we say we record, we recorded in six weeks, that's not like a, I've just watched a Netflix documentary on Boeing where they're just, um, putting the planes out like super.

33:05 Speaker 15: Quick, no safety limits. And it like, they lose the quality.

33:07 Speaker 13: Right.

33:08 Speaker 16: Um, and so it's not, I think, um, what I try and think and I think John agrees with me on this is when I'm practicing I'm practicing like relentlessly to improve my voice to improve my technique to whatever but when you're recording you have to kind of try and forget it otherwise you won't release anything you have to kind of like trust the practice that you've done and when it comes to record or even show time it's time to kind of like just play instinctively otherwise you you mess up you make mistakes but yeah so the jazz I think the jazz one's probably musically the hardest I've pushed myself John maybe you'd agree I think compositionally um rhythmically i'd say it's maybe more let's say the beatles project is like their songs and that's a different thing like you're approaching a song and you're approaching a composition you have to find your own voice within that whereas with these with the jazz project it's improvisation it's um you're finding your voice in a more instinctive way from like um yeah, which, which is, I would, at least for me, it's like much, much more difficult from a musician, musical perspective.

34:09 Speaker 18: Um, so, uh, so yeah.

34:11 Speaker 15: I'm very excited for the jazz one.

34:12 Speaker 22: Yeah.

34:12 Speaker 16: And then I think we might do the, the Irish one was a collaboration with our dad. I think that'll probably come out early next year or sometime next year. Um, yeah, next year we're planning on releasing even more. So, um, so yeah, loads of stuff to come.

34:26 Speaker 13: Yeah.

34:26 Speaker 8: I'm very, I'm very curious to hear that project actually. Yeah. That'll be, that'll, that'll be very interesting. Um, Um, do you guys have any plans to, or maybe you already are? I don't know. Do any of these, um, does any of this material from the album get performed live? I don't know if it's even, I don't know how you would even necessarily pull that off, but I'm, I'm really curious. I mean, do you guys play these songs, any of these songs live from the album?

34:53 Speaker 13: Some of the, uh, we do, uh, what's it tomorrow? Never knows. Oh, That one we can pull off as a duo.

35:00 Speaker 5: Oh, wow.

35:01 Speaker 13: Sort of get the bass looped and then we can do that. Charlie's got, I forgot the name of the pedal, but it's amazing. He can set a drone off, have it sort of separate, revert everything off the air and then play on top of it. And yeah, we've tried it. Is it with and without you? We tried a bit and it sort of crops in and out. That's probably the two. we might look at putting another one in, but those two from the album, when we're doing it as a duo, we can't, because of the loop, we can't, they're the only two we can sort of pull off well, I'd say.

35:36 Speaker 13: But the others, we're sort of always trying to find a way to bring them in.

35:40 Speaker 8: Right, right. And what about, I mean, is there any possibility of a volume two? Because obviously the Beatles have so many There's so much material that you can draw on there. I mean, is this album, again, it's called Mystic Liverpool, the Beatles' psychedelic songbook. Is this kind of it, do you think? Or have you thought about doing maybe a volume two in the future?

36:01 Speaker 13: I don't think either of us have even thought about that yet.

36:08 Speaker 8: Yeah.

36:09 Speaker 13: If it comes up, it'll come up. But I think, to be fair, we were just in a session with our dad and Mark Leighton Bennett, he plays drums with our dad in The Invaders. And we was doing, it was quite a, it was just percussion everywhere. Even Charlie ended up having to play percussion on some of the tracks.

36:28 Speaker 23: Yeah.

36:29 Speaker 13: And I think we ended up with over six hours of recording on that last weekend. We've got the jazz thing coming out. We're already working out dates to start recording our next solo project after that, probably in the winter time.

36:43 Speaker 8: Yeah.

36:44 Speaker 13: So yeah, there's a lot happening. Yeah.

36:47 Speaker 8: That's good.

36:47 Speaker 9: Yeah.

36:48 Speaker 15: So if it comes up again, yeah, we'd definitely do it.

36:50 Speaker 13: But for the next sort of six months, I'd say definitely not right now for the next six months.

36:56 Speaker 8: Your plates are very full. That's a, that's a very, very good thing. So I'm glad to hear that. I'm glad to hear that. Um, so, uh, we'll let you guys go in a moment. I was thinking about, uh, at the end of the segment playing strawberry, strawberry fields forever. Uh, you're, your interpretation of it. And I really love it. It might be my favorite from the album. But guys, thank you so much. Of course, Charlie and John Wardle from T-N, key, that's probably the best I can do with the pronunciation, but for people looking online, so it's spelled, it's two words, T-I-A-N and then Q-I-Y-I.

37:34 Speaker 8: Where's the best place to go online? Is there a particular place online that our listeners should go to to keep up with everything that you guys are doing?

37:47 Speaker 15: Instagram is the best.

37:48 Speaker 16: I think TikTok is so hard to communicate on TikTok. It feels like it suppresses anything when you actually try and speak to someone. If it's a video you're playing or something, it gets out. But we're on TikTok, Instagram, X, I'm not too active on. So Instagram, but you can find our music everywhere. Spotify, YouTube, Apple Music, Amazon, wherever you want to listen to.

38:07 Speaker 13: It, you can.

38:08 Speaker 8: Wonderful, wonderful. And I encourage people to check it out. And, you know, whether you're a diehard Beatles fan and you just want to hear somebody's reimagining of the songs, or maybe you're a casual fan, but you're just really curious. It's a very, very interesting album. Again, it's called Mystic Liverpool, The Beatles, A Psychedelic Songbook. And Charlie and John, thank you guys so much. We're going to let you go and I'm going to hit that track. I'm going to play your rendition of Strawberry Fields Forever.

38:32 Speaker 8: But thank you both for joining us. And we'll definitely, you know, you've got a lot of new music coming up, so we'll definitely have you back in the future. And I really enjoyed talking with you guys today. Thank you so much.

38:44 Speaker 13: Thanks for having us.

38:45 Speaker 19: All right.

38:46 Speaker 8: You got it. Take care. Bye-bye. All right, that is Charlie Wardle and John T.

38:52 Speaker 24: Wardle.

38:53 Speaker 8: And the project is T-I-N, again, I'll spell it for you, T-I-A-N, and then Q-I-Y-I. And the album, Mystic Liverpool, the Beatles' psychedelic songbook. Let's play another song from this. We might sneak a couple in, actually. I think we'll have time. But this is really interesting. Again, this is their reimagining, if you will, of the song Strawberry Fields Forever.

39:26 Speaker 12: Let me take.

39:27 Speaker 10: You down, cause I'm going down to Strawberry Field Nothing is real, and nothing to get hung about Stronger than the future forever.

40:26 Speaker 6: It's getting hard to be someone but it all works out It doesn't matter much to me Let me take you down as I'm going down. Sure there's nothing, nothing to worry about. Sure there's nothing to worry about.

41:16 Speaker 14: The one I think is in my tree. I mean, it must be high or low. That is your card, you know. Tune in, but it's alright. That is, I think it's not too bad.

41:34 Speaker 12: Let me take you down.

41:36 Speaker 6: Cause I'm going to strawberry tea. Strawberry tea.

41:52 Speaker 10: I think I know I mean it, yes, but it's all wrong That is, I think I.

42:07 Speaker 12: Disagree Let me take you down.

42:22 Speaker 6: To Florida Strawberry Nothing here.

42:34 Speaker 25: Nothing to get about Strawberry, I feel forever Strawberry, I feel forever.

43:30 Speaker 5: Thank you.

43:37 Speaker 8: Strawberry Fields Forever. I'm going to sneak in one more. We have time. I'm going to sneak in one more from these guys. I think it's such a fascinating project. Again, it's T-I-N-Q-I-Y-I is the spelling if you're looking for it online. Charlie and John Wardle, they are the sons of Jawobble, who was on the show with us not too long ago. Really interesting conversation. But I want to play one more of these, and then we're going to Take a break, show some love to our amazing sponsors. By the way, a little teaser here.

44:08 Speaker 8: Next weekend, we'll be announcing a brand new sponsor who I am very excited about joining the program and the roster of advertisers here at WMNH. And it's a big deal. I think it's a big deal. I think it's going to be really cool. I'm excited.

44:24 Speaker 8: That'll be... Yeah, we'll save that, though. Yeah. We'll save that. I have some work to do this weekend as far as creating some... Well, we'll save it for next week, but you'll be hearing something soon. Anyway. But we will show some love to our amazing sponsors, who you already know about, but we'll remind you about them when we play their ads in just a few minutes. But first, let's sneak in one more from this project. These guys, their version of Norwegian Wood, again, really interesting. The project is called TNK, and the album is Mystic Liverpool, the Beatles' psychedelic songbook.

45:04 Speaker 8: And then stick around... Again, we're going to show some love to our sponsors. And then coming up in hour number two, Numero Dos. If you are listening live on Saturday, of course, we have Death by Love will be joining us on the line. But here it is. This is these guys doing Norwegian wood.

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48:25 Speaker 6: It to fall.

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58:07 Speaker 15: From Hatchet, Axe, and Saw.

58:08 Speaker 19: From Hatchet, Axe, and Saw. And then I'll say you're listening to... Sounds good.

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58:21 Speaker 19: Caleb Dyer from Hatchet, Axe, and Saw Records.

58:24 Speaker 36: You are listening to the Matt Connerton Show on WMNH 95.3 Manchester.

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58:38 Speaker 36: This is Jesse Rutstein and Caleb Dyer from Hatchet, Axe, and Saw Records.

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59:36 Speaker 5: His lungs, he sings... I'm the man.

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59:47 Speaker 5: All right, back to the radio show now.

59:50 Speaker 38: All the best, Jerry.

1:00:13 Speaker 11: Very childish joy in cold basement. Too bad memories in my head. Let me return to dawn of remembrance. Shoot the roses from the paradise gardens. my conscience.

1:01:09 Speaker 39: Maybe I will finally feel something Leave me only for us to break my conscience Maybe I will finally feel something I want to hear silence, I want to see nothing Through the eyes of black men, no.

1:01:45 Speaker 6: Purpose, no hope No love, no love, no love No love, no love.

1:02:32 Speaker 11: My conscience.

1:02:38 Speaker 39: Maybe I finally feel something Maybe only fools would break my conscience Maybe I finally feel something I want to hear silence, I want to see nothing Through the eyes of blind men, no purpose, no hope No love, no love, no love I want to hear silence, I want to see nothing Through the eyes of blind men, no purpose, no hope No love, no love.

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1:03:52 Speaker 8: That is Soleno. The project is Death by Love, and we've got Pete Gwellard coming up with us live to talk about the project Death by Love, and I'm looking forward to talking to him if it happens. Now, there seems to be an issue. I think he's having a problem connecting, so trying to get that figured out. So what we might do is play... another song and we'll see if we can get them connected. But welcome everybody. If you are listening live on Saturday, September 12th, 2026, we have entered our number two numero dos of Matt Connerton Unleashed.

1:04:25 Speaker 8: And we are live from the studios of WMNH 95.3 FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire. And of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. You can go to mattconnerton.com slash live and get the show there. Or for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera. Check out our new site, mattconnertonunleashed.com. I've been working hard on that, and I think it's finally... pretty much where I want it, although we will be adding a lot of new content.

1:04:54 Speaker 8: We'll be adding some articles to it, too, so not just audio content, but articles as well. There's a couple things up there now, but we're really going to build that out going forward. So mattconnertonunleashed.com. Please let me know what you think about it. I love feedback, good, bad, and different, but I would love to hear from you and how you feel about it. But I think what we're going to do right now, so we'll see if we can get this figured out with Pete, to get him on the show with us. And if it doesn't work out, we'll just have to move on.

1:05:22 Speaker 8: But we are supposed to be joined by Pete Wellard from Death By Love, and I do really like this project, so I'm looking forward to speaking with him. If it happens, if it doesn't, hey, that's the adventure of live radio. Coming up in the third hour today, we have Dennis and Troy from the band The Gray Curtain, and they are going to come in. And one of the things that we're going to be talking about is Swarmy Fest, which is now only one week away, coming up September 19th. I'm so excited, I can't even talk.

1:05:47 Speaker 8: September 19th at Jewel Music Venue at 61 Canal Street. It's actually, and again, this doesn't mean anything to you if you don't know the area. You're just listening on the radio, but it's actually right across the street from the radio station, so very convenient. But that is coming up next Saturday, the 19th at Jewel Music Venue, Swarmy Fest. And of course, the Grey Curtain is one of the bands that will be playing that day, so we're going to have Dennis and Troy on with us. But I think what we'll do now is let's play another track from Death by Love.

1:06:14 Speaker 8: This is one that I really like. It's called In Unity. We'll see if we can get this figured out. Technology does challenge us at times. Hopefully we can get them connected. And if not, we'll have to move on. But there's always plenty of interesting things to talk about going on in the music industry. But here it is. This is Death by Love. This track is called In Unity.

1:06:58 Speaker 6: Thank you.

1:07:38 Speaker 40: We choose our hopes and we follow Our dreams. Our dreams. Our dreams.

1:08:09 Speaker 8: Our dreams.

1:08:09 Speaker 11: Rise above like angels in flight. And raise it down in the clouds.

1:08:17 Speaker 41: A place and spirits so bold Our story unfolds A tale to be told.

1:09:04 Speaker 12: Together we will.

1:09:05 Speaker 42: Reach the promised land.

1:09:11 Speaker 39: With open hearts and minds so free.

1:10:01 Speaker 37: We rise up like angels and flies, and break down in conquered nights. We hatch blades and spirits so bold, our story unfolds, the tale to be told.

1:10:15 Speaker 41: In unity we stand, a force so grand.

1:10:32 Speaker 42: Give me really rich, the promised love.

1:10:40 Speaker 11: With open hearts.

1:10:44 Speaker 5: And minds of mine.

1:11:35 Speaker 8: I like that. That is in unity. The project is Death by Love. And unfortunately, so we're supposed to have Pete Gwellard here with us, but he is apparently having a problem getting connected where he is to restream. And so he can't get online with us. So we're going to have to reschedule that. So what can you do? We'll have to move on. It is the adventure of live radio. These things happen, not the first time. That's okay, though. We have plenty to talk about. But the project is Death by Love, and I do hope we can have Pete on in the future.

1:12:04 Speaker 8: But again, this is Matt Connerton Unleashed. Welcome, everybody, here on this Saturday, for those of you listening live, September 12, 2026. We do have some chat room activity, by the way, so I just want to make sure we say hello to everybody in there. B. Pinard, who is a very consistent and dedicated listener here, says, good morning, everyone. Good morning, B. Oh, we also have Loud Entertainment. Of course, Loud Entertainment. We'll see them next week at Swarmy Fest, which we'll talk about again in a moment to remind you all.

1:12:34 Speaker 8: Isaac Banks, or our old friend Isaac Banks from Greensboro, South Carolina, in the Facebook live chat says, I do so love reading these. If you're a longtime listener of the show, you know that. Isaac says, good morning, hashtag Matt. How are you doing this morning? Who's the guest? Good morning, hashtag Moses Simmons. How are you doing this morning? Listen, my friend, Lucera Huntley, just want to say that she wants you to be back on Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram. Please, buddy. Jenny, of course, is in the chat room and says, my favorite.

1:13:10 Speaker 8: Isaac Banks says, wow, who is banned? Strawberry Fields, a good version. Hashtag Moses Stimmons. Please do chat messages to me. I was planning a shout out to Moses Stimmons. Timmons from Greensboro, North Carolina, and lives in Greensboro, North Carolina. I misspoke. I said South Carolina. My apologies to Isaac Banks. Isaac Banks also says, Good morning, Sepsis. How are you doing? Good morning, Lucera Huntley, Charles Richardson, Taryn Stinson, and Sarah Wright. Also, Missy Patterson. Sepsis in the chat room says, Reply to Isaac Banks.

1:13:51 Speaker 8: Isaac Banks, hello. Isaac Banks says, sepsis how are you doing i will be watching you both on facebook live again and jenny says uh sepsis i'm so excited it's almost swarmy fest day yes so that gets us caught up on that so swarmy fest again it's only one week from today if you're listening on saturday it's coming up this this coming saturday the 19th at jewel music venue uh if i'm looking at the correct current lineup Uh, we've got sepsis, of course, headlining, uh, pH Texera. I'm sure I'm not pronouncing that correctly.

1:14:26 Speaker 8: Uh, the gray curtain. And by the way, just a reminder, we will have Dennis and Troy from the band, the gray curtain here with us in the third hour, grim, the acronym, grim, the acronym. elder p sloan singe and 3fd so uh that is the lineup uh that is happening next weekend at jewel music venue 61 canal street doors at seven uh please come join us it's a wonderful time every year we look forward to swarmy fest it's a little early this year usually it's in november this year we get it in september so we're Very excited about that.

1:14:59 Speaker 8: The fifth annual Swarmy Fest. Jenny and I will be there, of course. Matt Connerton Unleashed is one of the official sponsors of the show. Loud Entertainment, of course. Great to have them there. See them. Got to get them back on the show. But let's see. I think right now, though, I want to... Something that caught my eye that I want to tell you all about. Alanis Morissette. So if you heard last week's show, you know, because we do like to talk about music industry news, especially if we're in a situation where we have a little extra time to fill when something goes wrong.

1:15:37 Speaker 8: Alanis Morissette, we talked about last week, this really pretty shocking story. And you can find the clip. It's on YouTube. It's at mattconnertonunleashed.com. Alanis Morissette versus tour manager, I believe is what we titled it. Um, Alanis Morissette is suing her former tour manager for, and no, I'm not going to repeat the whole story. Now you can go back and listen to it later, but, uh, or you can look it up. But she is suing her former tour manager for extortion because her former... I almost can't believe I'm saying this.

1:16:10 Speaker 8: It still just seems so surreal. Her former tour manager apparently threatened to frame Alanis Morissette for drug trafficking if Alanis Morissette did not offer her former tour manager a 15-year contract at a ridiculous salary and with huge bonuses. A 15-year contract. And the tour manager said, if you don't do this, I am going to frame you for drug trafficking. And as I mentioned last week on the show, I've heard, we've all heard, some crazy stories about people... in the business side of things, screwing over the artists whom they are supposed to represent.

1:16:54 Speaker 8: And it's a tale as old as the music industry. You know, I think I referred last week to a couple instances, for example, like Billy Joel, I think it was his own brother-in-law was an accountant or a business manager for Billy Joel and embezzled millions of dollars from him. It happened to sting. It's happened to a lot of people.

1:17:12 Speaker 12: Yeah.

1:17:14 Speaker 8: Sometimes it's not even malicious. Sometimes it happens not because someone is trying to steal, but just out of incompetence, too. There's a great book. You know, Kiss is my favorite band, as regular listeners know. There's a great book called Kiss and Sell, The Making of a Supergroup. It was written by Chris Lent, who worked for an accounting firm called Glicksman Marks. in the 80s for Glickman Marks. And Lent wrote this book, and it talks about a lot of the financial mismanagement that went on behind the scenes with Kiss from probably, what, 81 to 87, 88.

1:18:04 Speaker 8: And, you know, Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons ended up firing the accounting firm that they'd been with for a long time. But Um, that's a, that's a wild story. It's a great book. I recommend it. It's called Kiss and Sell. Uh, C.K. Lent, I think is how he's, he's known in the industry as Chris Lent, but I think he went by C.K. Lent, uh, on the book. And it's, it's really, even if you're not a Kiss fan, it's just an interesting read. Um, it's a light read, although it does get pretty granular on some things, but anyway, so, you know, sometimes it just happens because people are incompetent, but a lot of times it's someone with malicious intent stealing.

1:18:40 Speaker 8: from the very people they're supposed to be representing. And when I was talking last week about the situation with Ilana, Morissette and her former tour manager, because that's beyond anything, any kind of weird story like this I've ever heard, where, you know, again, I'll say it again because it just sounds so bizarre. It's hard to believe it's real. But her former tour manager threatened to frame her for drug trafficking if she didn't give her a 15-year contract. with a very high salary. And as I said last week with friends like, you know, with tour managers like that who needs enemies.

1:19:18 Speaker 8: But I also referred to, this isn't even the first time that something crazy has happened to Alanis Morissette. But the thing that happened before back in 2017 was a little more, how should I put it? A little more of a traditional somebody on the team screws over the artist they're supposed to be representing type story. shall we say, a little more conventional. Conventional might be the better word because usually these things involve embezzlement. They don't usually involve threatening someone with, you know, trying to blackmail someone with threats of framing them for drug trafficking.

1:19:56 Speaker 8: It doesn't usually involve that. It's usually a matter of embezzlement. So Alanis Morissette Apparently in 2017. I looked it up. I was looking for an update on the tour manager situation. Apparently there's no update at the moment. By the way, though, I will just say this. This is something I don't think I mentioned last week. It's interesting to me that it's a civil lawsuit that's been brought against this tour manager. But as far as I'm aware, there's no sort of criminal case pending there. Because what she did, and maybe there will be, maybe she will be charged with something to the store manager, because what she did, not only does it merit certainly a civil lawsuit, but I would think it would merit criminal penalties as well.

1:20:45 Speaker 8: Because, I don't know if you all know this, but extortion is illegal.

1:20:49 Speaker 5: Yeah.

1:20:52 Speaker 8: And the store manager, she had her lawyers drafting these letters that went to Alanis Morissette, threatening to frame her. It's wild, isn't it? You've got to go back and listen to the whole clip. I explained the whole thing last week. But these lawyers were drafting these letters, threatening to extort Alanis Morissette and frame her for drug trafficking if she didn't cooperate. So not only are these things a matter of, again, a civil lawsuit is appropriate, sure, but I think it would also be appropriate if this woman be charged with something, this tour manager, because what she did is clearly illegal and it's clearly fraud.

1:21:35 Speaker 8: It is illegal to, I mean, unless I misunderstand, look, I'm not a legal expert of any kind. I don't have a background in law, but I'm pretty sure that it's illegal to threaten to extort some someone for something that they didn't even do like if if i say to you you give me this you do what i want or i'm going to frame you for a crime isn't that illegal am i wrong maybe i'm wrong i would think that would be a criminal act right So anyway, but apparently, no, it's all civil at this point. So I found something.

1:22:18 Speaker 8: So I'm looking for an update. I found this, and this further explains what happened to Alanis Morissette previously back in 2017. This is from Entertainment Weekly, and I didn't get a chance to pre-read this, so I'll be learning a lot along with all of you. It says, Alanis Morissette says a woman's intuition led her to suspect former business manager of stealing from her The ironic singer shared that she had a suspicion something was off about her books after she switched business managers. So this just went up a couple days ago.

1:22:54 Speaker 8: So key points first, and then we'll look at the actual article. It says, Jonathan Todd Schwartz was sentenced to six years in federal prison in 2017 for stealing $ 7. 2 million from his clients, including $ 4. 8 million from Alanis Morissette. Now Morissette is once again in a legal battle with a team member as she is suing her former tour manager over claims of extortion. Okay, so it says here, Again, this is from Entertainment Weekly. Amid her most recent legal battle, Alanis Morissette is opening up about another time she felt betrayed by a member of her team.

1:23:37 Speaker 8: Morissette recently recalled the moment she realized that her former business manager was embezzling money from her, certified public accountant Jonathan Todd Schwartz, who previously managed the finances of celebrities like Beyonce and Gwyneth Paltrow. was sentenced to six years in federal prison in 2017 after pleading guilty to wire fraud and tax fraud charges. He was accused of stealing $ 7. 2 million from his clients, including $ 4. 8 million from Morissette. Something felt weird, the singer said on the Wednesday episode of Call Her Daddy.

1:24:12 Speaker 8: A woman's intuition, she said. Going off her gut feeling, Morissette who at that point had changed accountants, went to her new business manager with her suspicions. She and her husband, Mario Treadway, had seen some inaccurate calculations when looking at her finances. She recalled, quote, I need more information because something's up and I don't know what. And I kept coming in to the point where, God bless, they said, why are you here in this boardroom? And I said, I still don't have the answer yet, unquote.

1:24:49 Speaker 8: After she brought some papers with inconsistencies in for her team's review, they reviewed the documents and asked her if she spent a lot of cash. Although the experience was frustrating, Morissette emphasized that she stayed the course and kept showing up to get answers. When Schwartz was sentenced, Morissette spoke at his hearing and was relieved that the case was presided over by a woman, United District Court Judge Dolly M. Gee. The ironic singer had been concerned that the system had, quote, bias against wealth, bias against women, bias against women knowing.

1:25:26 Speaker 8: I just looked right at her. It was really actually quite corrective for me, unquote. Following his prison sentence, Schwartz has spoken publicly about stealing from his clients, apologizing for his actions, and sharing his attempts to make amends as part of his sobriety journey. In a recent interview on Chatter That Matters podcast, published on August 13, he noted that he has not spoken to Morissette since his sentencing as he believes it would cause her more harm than good.

1:25:59 Speaker 8: He said on the podcast, quote, none of those people deserve my behavior and Alanis certainly did not. I mean, she was an incredibly wonderful client and I violated my fiduciary responsibility, unquote. However, he does have a message for the you ought to know artist in the event that the two do ever cross paths. Quote, I would say, may I please speak to you for a moment and hope she says yes. I would cry and tell her how much pain and suffering I caused her. And I'm very sorry, and I hope she can forgive me, but I understand if she cannot, unquote.

1:26:35 Speaker 8: And the legal battles continue with Morissette, who recently sued, so this will catch us up on that, who recently sued her ex-tour manager on claims of civil extortion fraud and negligent misrepresentation. She is seeking compensatory damages in excess of $ 75, 000. The Grammy winner accused, Karen Uranoff, whom she hired temporarily to work on her 2025 world tour of a calculated blackmail campaign. In a lawsuit obtained by Entertainment Weekly, she alleged that Yurinov threatened to report her for drug trafficking, quote, unless Morissette agrees to employ her as a tour director for 15 years and pay her massive compensation, unquote.

1:27:15 Speaker 8: In a statement, Uranov's London-based attorney told EW, Entertainment Weekly, that his client, quote, is only aware that defensive proceedings in the U.S. have been issued against her from contacts by the media. No proceedings have been served on her, nor ever threatened.

1:27:32 Speaker 27: Ms.

1:27:32 Speaker 8: Uranov totally rejects any allegation of blackmail, unquote. attorney Mark Lewis continued, quote, rather than being paid off, Ms. Uranoff has sought to have her name cleared and will adduce the evidence, I don't know that word, adduce the evidence that shows the truth about Ms. Morissette's actions.

1:27:54 Speaker 13: Ms.

1:27:55 Speaker 8: Uranoff has no issue with the trial judge determining the truth. We are content to let the court determine what happened rather than trying to concoct a false narrative. So, There you have it. That kind of gets us a little bit caught up on that. So I guess there was a little bit of an update on the story we were talking about last week because her attorneys have spoken. Karen Urinoff's attorneys have spoken. That's the tour manager who allegedly tried to extort a 15-year contract out of Alanis Morissette.

1:28:29 Speaker 8: So there's the update for you. But again, it's such... That's the thing.

1:28:35 Speaker 23: You know.

1:28:37 Speaker 8: Being a, being a, uh, famous musician and a very wealthy and sex successful musician um obviously is a wonderful thing but you know it's kind of like that notorious big song mo money mo problems um there are problems that come with it. And one of the problems is, uh, it seems like everyone tries to steal from you and you can't trust anybody. I mean, it's, it's just amazing. And look, I don't mean to, as, as someone who, uh, is a part of the music industry, uh, I don't mean to disparage anybody, uh, in a broad sense, but I'm just saying, um, These stories are not unusual.

1:29:21 Speaker 8: I'm sure there's nobody listening to me talk about this stuff and saying to themselves, wow, this is shocking. I didn't know this kind of thing went on. No, everybody knows. It could be a business manager. It could be an accountant. In Alanis Morissette's case, it could be a tour manager. this recent time. It's very often a record label. There is no shortage of stories of artists suing record labels for unpaid royalties. That happens a lot. There's all kinds of things that go on where, you know, it sounds great, and I'm sure, generally speaking, it is great to be rich and famous, but you are vulnerable to people trying to steal from you.

1:30:04 Speaker 8: Hey, at least when you're broke. Nobody can steal from you because you have nothing for them to take, right? So there is that. But money does bring a set of problems that you might not have anticipated. Granted, if you're rich enough, you can weather any of it, too. Like, I remember when it happened to Sting. And I think in Sting's case, just like with Billy Joel, I think in Sting's case, it was a family member who stole from him, who was on his team and a business manager or an accountant or somebody.

1:30:39 Speaker 8: But I remember him saying in an interview something like, you know, it hasn't affected my life at all because even though he took a lot of money, I have so much money. I mean, he didn't put it quite so brashly, but basically he said, I have so much money that I almost... It's no wonder that I didn't notice. And it hasn't impacted my life at all, not having that money. It doesn't make it okay for someone to steal it from me, but it hasn't affected me at all. But it does make sense if you think about it.

1:31:05 Speaker 8: Somebody who's super wealthy, if you have $ 100 million.

1:31:11 Speaker 8: And somebody steals $ 5 million from you, they manage to embezzle $ 5 million. Obviously, that's a tremendous amount of money. But if you have $ 100 million and someone embezzles $ 5 million, you still have $ 95 million, right? So, you know, when somebody like Sting says, you know, well, yeah, this happened to me, but don't cry for me. I was fine. Yeah, he was more than fine. By the way, I'm not excusing that. It doesn't make it okay to steal $ 5 million from somebody just because they have $ 100 million and they're still going to have $ 95 after you steal that $ 5.

1:31:47 Speaker 8: I don't want anyone to misunderstand. I'm not justifying that. or shrugging that off. That's terrible. You shouldn't do that. The other thing that I always find a little bit fascinating about this is, why do people think they're even going to get away with it? Look what happened to the guy. What's his name? Jonathan Todd Schwartz? He probably... He was already the former business manager for Alanis Morissette at this point when he was found out, so he probably thought he was in the clear, but No, he was not.

1:32:20 Speaker 8: And he did get caught and ended up serving six years in federal prison for it. So is it worth the risk? Because here's the thing. If you're in his position and you're already managing the finances of all these very wealthy and famous people, you're already probably pretty rich yourself, right? You're already probably earning tremendous sums of money. But people get greedy. They get greedy. They're already making millions of dollars and they say, well, I could even make more millions of dollars if I just steal some of it.

1:32:54 Speaker 8: You know, but I don't know. But it's like I said, it's a tale as old as the music industry. There's nothing unusual about any of it.

1:33:04 Speaker 43: Jeez.

1:33:05 Speaker 8: What was it? It was at least more than a year ago now. But we were talking on the show about and I don't even know what the status. I don't even know what ended up happening with this. But Limp Bizkit. was suing Universal Music Group, or Fred Durst brought a lawsuit against Universal Music Group because they were not paying... They owed Limp Bizkit, allegedly, millions of dollars in unpaid royalties. And Limp Bizkit hadn't been paid anything in royalties in... like ever almost.

1:33:35 Speaker 19: Right.

1:33:36 Speaker 8: And, um, and when we were talking about that story and you get into the details of it too, part of the, part of the reason record labels get away with it so often is they use a, and I, I learned this term, uh, spaghetti accounting where, where they make everything so complicated and so convoluted and it's done intentionally and that it's hard to even... You have to hire a forensic accountant to even figure out what's going on here to get to the bottom of it and figure out what you're actually owed because they just make it so complicated that it becomes really easy to hide the money, I guess is what I'm saying.

1:34:17 Speaker 8: If you're a record label like UMG and you're allegedly... I don't want to get in trouble. Allegedly, but intentionally... hiding money, or you've created a system that makes it easy to hide money from an artist on your label to whom you owe huge sums of money, allegedly. You know, it's all by design. It's not, but it even happens with small independent labels. You know, there's stories of artists, you know, they sign a contract with a label and they think they're owed money and they're not paid it, or they think they're owed money, and it turns out they're not owed money, because sometimes people sign contracts that aren't necessarily good.

1:35:08 Speaker 8: Somebody might get excited. I don't think this happens nearly as much as it used to, but somebody gets offered a record contract, whether it's by a major label or whether it's by a small independent label, and they're like, oh, I'm going to get signed. I'm going to be a signed artist, and they sign the contract without having an entertainment lawyer look at it first, and then they end up in a situation where They're selling a lot of units. They're doing very well. Lots of downloads online. They think they're doing great.

1:35:35 Speaker 8: They're making all this money, but they're not getting paid anything. And then it turns out the way their contract is structured, and this is a standard thing,

1:35:45 Speaker 8: they don't get to make any money until whatever money the record label spent marketing them has been recouped. That word recoupment that can be a very ugly word in the music industry because, you know, and there's no, a lot of you, if you're old enough to remember, you might remember TLC when the album Crazy Sexy Cool came out. This was back in the 90s. That's why I say if you're old enough to remember. Crazy Sexy Cool came out. It was hugely successful. Triple Platinum sold over 3 million albums and they were broke.

1:36:22 Speaker 18: They were broke.

1:36:23 Speaker 12: Literally.

1:36:24 Speaker 13: Literally.

1:36:26 Speaker 8: They weren't seeing any of that money because the way the contract was structured, the label had spent all this money on music videos and everything to make sure these songs were big hits, you know, like Creep and Waterfalls. Was Waterfalls on that one or was Waterfalls on the next one? Because I feel like that's their biggest hit.

1:36:47 Speaker 8: I love Creep and No Scrubs. Those were my two favorite TLC songs. No Scrubs was definitely on the second one. I can't remember which album Waterfalls was on. Um, but anyway, you know, and the label showed them the contract and said, look, this is why you're broke. This is the deal you signed. And somehow they got something renegotiated or they got a, uh, I think they got a very, uh, high power, high profile attorney involved because things can be renegotiated. But, but, but this kind of thing goes on.

1:37:20 Speaker 8: kind of thing goes on. You know, I mentioned Kiss earlier. Kiss is my favorite band. This is even covered in Chris Lentz's book that I referred to earlier, Kiss and Sell. Kiss actually had to sue their label over some unpaid royalties back in the early 80s. And that actually didn't go that well for Kiss in their case. They did get something, but they didn't get the settlement they were expecting to get out of it. But that's in that book. I should, I wonder if I can get him on the show. That would be, he'd be a fascinating person to talk to.

1:37:50 Speaker 8: I don't think he does a lot of interviews though, Chris Lent. Let's see, where are, oh, you know what? We have time. I wanted to do, you know, we never mentioned it last week, the passing of Dolly Parton. Just didn't get to it. But, you know, she was obviously a great person and and revered by everyone. You certainly didn't have to be a country music fan to be a fan of Dolly Parton. But I happened to see this come up, so I regret that we didn't get to it last week, but Digital Music News has a story up.

1:38:23 Speaker 8: So this is just kind of interesting and fun. This just went up yesterday. It's an article titled, Departon... from Departing is a Go. Nashville Airport to be renamed after Dolly following unanimous vote. So they're renaming this airport that's in Nashville. Dolly Parton will be memorialized in her hometown as Nashville Airport has unanimously voted to change its name to include the music and philanthropy icon. It says here, since Dolly Parton's passing last month at age 80, a petition to change the name of Nashville's airport quickly made the rounds, gaining thousands of signatures in days.

1:39:01 Speaker 8: The petition was actually originally made in January, but following Dolly's death, fans agreed that it was an excellent way to honor the vast impact of the beloved musician's and philanthropist. Okay, so this was actually, that's interesting, this was already in motion prior to her passing. It says, at a meeting on September 11, officials at the Metro Nashville Airport Authority voted unanimously for the name change. The Tennessee governor, Bill Lee, who backed the idea, said, quote, at a place where Tennessee welcomes the world, It is fitting that Nashville International Airport would bear the name of our state's favorite daughter and greet travelers with the enduring legacy of Dolly's music, generosity, faith, and kindness, unquote.

1:39:47 Speaker 8: While it's only the first step in a lengthy bureaucratic process to fully enact the name change, local elected officials, airport executives, and the authority board are all united on that front. Airport president and CEO Doug Krulin is authorized to immediately begin work to implement the change already. He confirmed that he had a very productive meeting with the Parton family earlier this week, notably making the change possible involved the airport authority voting against its own pre-existing rule that prevents facilities from being renamed after people who have died until two years after their passing.

1:40:25 Speaker 8: Dolly even weighed in on the proposal herself early last year, telling Belmont University, quote, I think that's probably more of a joke than anything. I mean, it does sound like a lot of fun to say your flight is departing from Nashville's departing, unquote. The iconic singer, actor, and philanthropist passed away on August 25 at the age of 80 following a brief battle with cancer that her family revealed only after her death. They did so to honor her wishes to keep her That reminds me of when David Bowie passed away a number of years ago.

1:41:05 Speaker 8: It was kind of a similar thing where he had been battling cancer, but he had kept it, and everyone around him had kept it so quiet. The few that knew, they kept it so quiet that it was a shock to wake up to the news because the general public had no idea that he was sick. One more quick thing that I want to get to, and then we got to get to a break. Show some love to our amazing sponsors. And then coming up in the third hour, Dennis and Troy from The Gray Curtain will be here with us in studio. Can't wait to talk with them.

1:41:34 Speaker 8: But, you know, we talk a lot on the show about A.I., and how AI is affecting the music industry and how the music industry continues to move through that, navigate that, and so forth. And there are a lot of varying opinions about it. Some people are very, very, very anti-anything AI. Suno is a popular AI app where you can enter some prompts and it'll create music for you. Suno, oh, I'm sorry, I should tell you, this is from Which website is this from? Oh, I'm sorry. This is from musicbusinessworldwide.com.

1:42:09 Speaker 8: I always want to credit the site. Musicbusinessworldwide.com has an article up. This actually just went up a couple days ago. Suno admits it obtained YouTube audio to train its AI. but challenges UMG and Sony's standing to bring stream ripping claim. So UMG, we were just talking about UMG a minute ago when Limp Bizkit sued UMG. UMG, one of the major labels. Sony, another one of the major labels who brought this lawsuit against Suno. It says here, Suno has admitted in a court filing that it obtained audio data.

1:42:44 Speaker 8: from YouTube for use as training data. The admission appears in the AI music company's answer to the first amended complaint from UMG, Capitol Records, and Sony. So there's actually three major labels involved in this lawsuit against Suno. Sudo also alleges that the labels have engaged in, quote, anti-competitive activities that extend an unlawful monopoly over music, unquote. And it challenges whether they have standing to bring their YouTube stream ripping claim. And by the way, so stream ripping, so if you play something on YouTube and you record it, or you download it and you use it for other purposes, that's, I guess, in a broad sense, that would be what we mean by stream ripping.

1:43:34 Speaker 8: Or if you extract something from it, that's stream ripping. Because YouTube is not designed for you to be able to just download things. Unless, I guess, if you have YouTube Premium, you can download things, right? But if you just have a generic YouTube account, which is free, obviously, but you can't just go on YouTube and download things. You can only play them unless you

1:43:56 Speaker 8: get around that, which is actually extraordinarily easy. But anyway, but that would be stream ripping.

1:44:05 Speaker 17: Okay.

1:44:07 Speaker 8: The 26-page document was filed on September 1 in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts and reviewed by Music Business Worldwide.

1:44:18 Speaker 14: Okay.

1:44:20 Speaker 8: Here's something from the complaint. Quote, Suno admits that audio data was obtained from YouTube for use as training data using YTDLP. The filing states in response to paragraph 49 of the label's complaint. The paragraph alleges Suno used two tools, YTDL, which I assume stands for YouTube download, and YTDLP to, quote, circumvent YouTube's encryption and scrape copyrighted recordings from YouTube, unquote.

1:44:49 Speaker 8: Suno's response names only YTDLP. By the way, let me just tell you without saying too much. There's a bunch of these tools, this YTDL, whatever. There are, if you look, there are a lot, I'm not saying you should do it. I'm just telling you, you don't have to look hard to find things that will let you download things from YouTube or scrape that data. It's not difficult at all. And I guess no one has figured out how to prevent that very specific form of piracy, but it's super easy. Now, finding sites that you can do that with that are safe, where you don't risk malware on your computer, I would just say this.

1:45:38 Speaker 8: Make sure you have a really good... No, I would not say this. Okay, if you were to hypothetically do such a thing, which you should not do, but if you happen to do it anyway, which you shouldn't, shame on you, bad, bad, bad. But if you do do it, you would want to hypothetically, theoretically, have a really good antivirus program on your computer. That's what I wanted to say.

1:46:05 Speaker 18: Okay.

1:46:07 Speaker 8: But don't do that. That's bad. That's wrong. Don't be naughty. Suno's second affirmative defense argues that the label's claims are barred in whole or in part by copyright misuse and unclean hands, language that has pleaded word for word since its first answer in August 2024. I think we're going to stop there. If you want to read the whole article, it's up at Music Business Worldwide, but my throat is getting very dry. I need a drink of water.

1:46:37 Speaker 13: Hmm.

1:46:42 Speaker 8: And it is almost time for a break. So here's what we're going to do. I'm going to sneak in.

1:46:47 Speaker 25: Oh, boy.

1:46:49 Speaker 8: My throat is very dry. I'm really struggling here. I'm going to sneak in one more track from our hour number one guest, TNK. If you missed it, they put out an album of reimagined Beatles songs. Very interesting stuff. What was the other one that I wanted to play that we didn't get a chance to play yet? Let's play this one. Let's play The Inner Light. This is cool. And then we're going to show some love to our amazing sponsors. And then when we come back for you live listeners on Saturday, in hour number three, Numero Tres, Dennis and Troy from The Great Curtain will be here with us in the studio.

1:47:29 Speaker 8: But I need to gulp the rest of that water, so we're going to do this right now.

1:47:35 Speaker 19: Here it is.

1:47:36 Speaker 8: This is from... I keep having to look at making sure I'm pronouncing it correctly. T-N-K-E. And this is called The Inner Light.

1:48:04 Speaker 10: The Inner Light I can know all things are nice Without looking out my window I could know the.

1:48:19 Speaker 12: Way Thank you.

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2:02:25 Speaker 2: The moment of virtue is all gone Now you say goodbye The moment I hurt you The moment that I lost my mind You're.

2:02:48 Speaker 5: Like cinnamon.

2:02:51 Speaker 23: I'm a sour man.

2:02:53 Speaker 44: We clash when we're together. And this simple death will understand.

2:03:05 Speaker 5: He fails with every endeavor. Oh, Lenino, calm me down.

2:03:13 Speaker 6: The bottle ends.

2:03:21 Speaker 45: Me true thought of you out of my mind guitar solo.

2:03:55 Speaker 44: Last chance redemption Was feasible at one time And now

2:04:07 Speaker 44: Will I make a break From all these bound mistakes.

2:04:12 Speaker 5: Lord, I.

2:04:43 Speaker 6: The needle calmed me.

2:04:49 Speaker 5: Down.

2:04:49 Speaker 6: The bottle, it held me true.

2:04:55 Speaker 7: The needle calmed me down.

2:05:15 Speaker 6: The thought of you out of my mind guitar solo

2:05:42 Speaker 6: Thank you.

2:06:27 Speaker 45: Call me down the bottle will help me.

2:06:34 Speaker 6: Drown the needle call me down the bottle will help.

2:06:43 Speaker 45: Me drown the needle call me down The thought of it held me true. The thought of you out of my mind.

2:07:27 Speaker 8: Oh, that's so good. Can't quite say the name of the title on the air, but we'll call it Pee Drunk Outside of Bars Leaving Voicemails. The band is The Gray Curtain, and we've got Troy and Dennis here with us in studio from the band. We're going to talk with them in a couple minutes, and they're going to play live, which is really cool, which will be a first for them on the show. But welcome, everybody. We've entered hour number three, Numero Tres of Matt Connerton Unleashed, and we are live from the studios of WMNH 95.3 FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire.

2:07:56 Speaker 8: And of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. Go to mattconnerton.com. slash live or check out the new site mattconnertonunleashed.com for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info, show archives, et cetera, et cetera. And, of course, our amazing list of sponsors here at WMNH, which we're about to be adding one. But I will have more about that next week. But, again, if you are listening live today, it's Saturday, September 12, 2026. And let's see. So we'll get these guys in here.

2:08:27 Speaker 8: So we've got Dennis is with us. Hello, Dennis.

2:08:29 Speaker 17: Hey, Matt.

2:08:30 Speaker 19: Good to be back.

2:08:32 Speaker 8: And now this is always the real test. So Troy is over there. But I've got to bring these mics up in a way that– He's going to work for us because he's playing guitar. So we've got him on a little bit of a different setup.

2:08:43 Speaker 17: Hey, Troy.

2:08:44 Speaker 46: Hey, how's it going? Thanks for having us, man.

2:08:45 Speaker 8: Yeah, you sound good.

2:08:46 Speaker 46: Thank you.

2:08:47 Speaker 8: Let me actually, I'm going to turn this up and turn that down. And then can you strum that guitar a little bit for me? Ooh, that sounds nice.

2:08:56 Speaker 17: It does.

2:08:57 Speaker 25: Yeah.

2:08:57 Speaker 8: I'm glad we plugged that in. So, um, Part of the reason you guys are here, of course, is next weekend is Swarmy Fest.

2:09:04 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:09:05 Speaker 8: And it's early this year. Usually it's in November. This year we got September. September 19th at Juul. So you guys are playing, of course. And excited. Did you guys play Swarmy Fest before? I can't remember. No.

2:09:20 Speaker 19: I was in attendance.

2:09:22 Speaker 24: Right.

2:09:23 Speaker 19: Like a year or two ago when it was over at Tapello.

2:09:27 Speaker 8: Oh, okay.

2:09:28 Speaker 19: But no, I... Uh, we've, we've never performed a swarmy fest. Um, yeah, this is our first year.

2:09:36 Speaker 13: Wow.

2:09:37 Speaker 23: Yeah.

2:09:37 Speaker 19: Cool.

2:09:37 Speaker 13: Cool.

2:09:38 Speaker 8: Yeah. Really looking forward to it. Jenny and I will be there of course. This show is one of the sponsors of the event, and I should give people just quickly... I'm dying to hear you guys play, but I should give people quickly the lineup. So, of course, it is at Jewel Music Venue, 61 Canal Street, and, you know, of course, it won't mean anything to people who are just listening to the show who don't know the area, but it's literally across the street from the radio station here over at Jewel. Great, great venue.

2:10:06 Speaker 8: Doors open at 7, so we got Sepsis, PH.

2:10:11 Speaker 8: Teak Sarah. I'm sure I'm not saying that anywhere near correctly. The Gray Curtain, of course, you guys. Grim the Acronym, Elder P. Sloan, who were on the show with us recently, Singe, and 3FD. And, of course, Loud Entertainment is officially the promoter. And, of course, our friends in Sepsis who put on the show and will be headlining that night. And it's a lot of fun. So I want to get lots of people there. And I think last year it might have sold out. I'm not sure.

2:10:36 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:10:37 Speaker 8: Yeah, it's always really good. Oh, also, dancers, the official Swarmy Fest dancers, the Blood Witch and Reminisce. Wait, am I saying that right? Yeah, I think so. It's just Reminisce, but just spelled differently. I think they were there last year, too. What's new with you guys? What's been going on with the Grey Curtain? Anything specific we should know about? Just a whole lot of writing.

2:11:02 Speaker 5: Yes.

2:11:03 Speaker 46: Continuing on getting this album together.

2:11:06 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:11:06 Speaker 13: Yep.

2:11:07 Speaker 38: We're making pretty good progress I think I mean we got like pretty much like the bones are there for all the songs we just need to kind of build it up sure more completely.

2:11:18 Speaker 19: Okay yeah all right there's uh there's a few songs that we uh we've written quite recently that we're very excited for uh just to be able to play out live let alone for people to be able to stream it on like spotify or anything like that we're very excited for these students.

2:11:41 Speaker 38: Yeah yeah i was definitely excited to you know for this interview specifically to like you know bring something.

2:11:48 Speaker 46: New oh to the table because.

2:11:50 Speaker 38: It's i mean it's always a great time to come here but it's kind of going to be talking about the same things that we always talk about yeah you know Show you guys what we're doing.

2:11:59 Speaker 8: No, I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Oh, and we were talking too off air. So this is officially you're now in the five-timers club on the show.

2:12:05 Speaker 19: Yeah, I remember you bringing it up last time. I was like, no, no, we need one more.

2:12:08 Speaker 8: I forgot to bring a jacket for you guys.

2:12:11 Speaker 19: One of those golf jackets.

2:12:13 Speaker 8: I don't know what you would even do, though, because you'd have to do those two of you.

2:12:15 Speaker 17: We'd share it.

2:12:17 Speaker 8: Because we only supply one jacket per guest.

2:12:20 Speaker 19: We could share it. We do like the Siamese twins thing.

2:12:24 Speaker 24: Right, right.

2:12:24 Speaker 19: He's in one sleep, I'm in the other.

2:12:26 Speaker 8: It's fine.

2:12:27 Speaker 19: It's good.

2:12:29 Speaker 8: Well, I'm dying to hear you guys play.

2:12:31 Speaker 13: Awesome.

2:12:32 Speaker 8: What are you going to share with us today?

2:12:35 Speaker 46: First song is called, is it Make Me Whole?

2:12:38 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:12:38 Speaker 46: We're going to be doing, it's a brand new one.

2:12:41 Speaker 8: So this is a new one. All right. Brand new from Sepsis. Live in studio. All right.

2:12:45 Speaker 19: Great curtain.

2:12:46 Speaker 17: Great curtain.

2:12:46 Speaker 8: Oh, the great curtain. I'm sorry. Sepsis, see, I'm thinking about next week. And Sepsis has never played live in studio.

2:12:53 Speaker 18: Oh, really?

2:12:54 Speaker 8: No, they never have. But until today, neither do you guys. So who knows what the future may bring? The great curtain, live in studio.

2:13:02 Speaker 17: Here we go.

2:13:23 Speaker 19: Feeling cold.

2:13:27 Speaker 23: Broken and paralyzed Strings of a violin Play me.

2:13:38 Speaker 5: Out Off this plane Scoring the violence.

2:14:03 Speaker 6: Prelude the silence.

2:14:15 Speaker 23: So ring in the violins Let him run from the gun Let him cry, let him die Let him run from the gun Let him cry.

2:14:27 Speaker 19: Let him die Let him run from the gun Let him.

2:14:31 Speaker 23: Cry, let him die Let him run from the gun Let him cry, let him die.

2:15:01 Speaker 5: Dreaming of when I was.

2:15:03 Speaker 6: Awake Fearing one day I'd sleep.

2:15:10 Speaker 7: Forever Dreaming of when I was.

2:15:18 Speaker 47: Awake Fearing one day I'd sleep.

2:15:25 Speaker 6: Forever Scoring the violence Reload.

2:15:30 Speaker 5: The silence.

2:15:43 Speaker 23: Bring in the violence Let him run, run the gun Let him cry, let him die Let him run, run the gun Let him cry, let him die Let him run, run the gun Let him cry, let him die.

2:16:01 Speaker 5: Let him die, let him die, let him die Dreaming of when I was.

2:16:32 Speaker 47: Awake Hearing one day I'd.

2:16:41 Speaker 6: Sleep forever Dreaming of when I was awake.

2:16:51 Speaker 47: Here in one day I'd sleep forever.

2:17:32 Speaker 6: We love the.

2:17:33 Speaker 48: Violent Scoring the violence Bringing the silence Bringing the violence Ring in the silence Ring in the.

2:17:47 Speaker 23: Violence Let him run from the gun Let him cry, let him die Let him run from the gun Let him cry, let him die Let him run from the gun Let him cry, let him die Let him run from the.

2:18:05 Speaker 5: Gun Let him cry.

2:18:07 Speaker 10: Let him.

2:18:13 Speaker 18: Nice.

2:18:14 Speaker 8: That's awesome. The Gray Curtain with us live in studio. That's amazing. So that's a brand new one, huh?

2:18:20 Speaker 17: Yeah, yeah.

2:18:20 Speaker 8: I don't know if you.

2:18:21 Speaker 46: Can see how shaking I am.

2:18:23 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:18:24 Speaker 19: I was going to say, that is brand new out of the oven. You can tell because there were a couple of moments where I was like, what's the lyric?

2:18:34 Speaker 8: Hold on.

2:18:34 Speaker 19: Let me.

2:18:35 Speaker 5: No.

2:18:36 Speaker 8: Yeah, that's all right.

2:18:37 Speaker 19: But, yeah, we played.

2:18:39 Speaker 13: That out once, I think.

2:18:41 Speaker 46: Yeah, once at, was that Kodo?

2:18:44 Speaker 23: Kodo.

2:18:44 Speaker 28: Lowell.

2:18:45 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:18:45 Speaker 46: Like, the last show that we ever did.

2:18:47 Speaker 45: Yeah.

2:18:48 Speaker 19: Yeah, that was... That was a good show, though.

2:18:51 Speaker 46: I think they closed because of that song.

2:18:52 Speaker 19: No, I'm just kidding. Oh, no. Yeah, it seems to be a trend. You know, we play, the place closes down.

2:18:59 Speaker 8: Yeah. Well, very good. So what should we know about the new album? I know we talked about it last time, but in terms of the theme and the story, is it a continuation of the previous one?

2:19:15 Speaker 19: Sort of.

2:19:16 Speaker 46: Um, it's all kind of like interweaving stories within the universe.

2:19:20 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:19:21 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:19:21 Speaker 23: Okay.

2:19:22 Speaker 19: Uh, basically the, the first album shadow of a man was about Nathan Knoth who dives into a world of addiction and depression after, uh, his wife goes missing and is presumed dead. Uh, the second album is about a local florist who is for all intents and purposes drugged and, uh, begins to hear the voice of his since past wife telling him to bury the women of the town into the ground so she may rise from the soil. It's one for the kids. And then this new one, the storyline is basically the mayor of the town that all of these characters are trapped in.

2:20:13 Speaker 19: Basically out of pure boredom uh, gives two killers that he knows very well. One is an assassin who is kind of under his payroll. And the other is a, uh, a killer of vengeance. He's trying to find the murderer of his family that put, also put him in a coma. And when he wakes up, he is trapped in the town of apathy. You know, everything that he loved is gone. So he, uh, He sort of becomes the monster, and Shoal gives him a list. Shoal being the name of the demon mayor of the town of Apathy. And each list has ten names on it.

2:21:01 Speaker 19: And kind of in this nice little way, the album is planned to be a double album for this reason.

2:21:11 Speaker 8: Oh, okay.

2:21:13 Speaker 19: One album's going to be based on one killer going through their list. and the story of them going through each person and the story of why each person is on the list and everything. And the second album will be about the other.

2:21:31 Speaker 8: Oh, okay.

2:21:34 Speaker 19: And it all kind of culminates in what I, I, I honestly absolutely love the way that this story ends. You know, the, The last album was very, I think, M. Night Shyamalan type of twist ending. But this is... Because I'm such a movie buff, I love stories, I love movies, I love theater. And when we put out the first album, it was kind of a melodrama. Very Leaving Las Vegas. The second album was... more akin to an a24 film where like you know like midsummer or uh hereditary heretic and then this album's going to be more akin to a john woo uh action film starring like bruce willis okay you know like back in the 90s yeah uh i'm i'm really looking forward to.

2:22:38 Speaker 38: Uh The way I see it, it's kind of like falling down and Kill Bill kind of together.

2:22:43 Speaker 19: Falling down. You know, I wouldn't have even thought of that.

2:22:46 Speaker 18: Yeah, yeah.

2:22:47 Speaker 19: Falling down. I'm going home.

2:22:49 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:22:51 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:22:51 Speaker 38: Someone just having the worst imaginable time.

2:22:56 Speaker 46: Yeah.

2:22:57 Speaker 19: You know what?

2:22:58 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:22:58 Speaker 19: He is sort of like Michael Douglas in that film.

2:23:02 Speaker 46: Yeah.

2:23:04 Speaker 8: So do you have any kind of an ETA on... Probably not, right?

2:23:09 Speaker 12: No.

2:23:09 Speaker 8: Sometime next year, do you think?

2:23:12 Speaker 19: That's what I'm hoping.

2:23:13 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.

2:23:14 Speaker 17: I'm hoping....

2:23:16 Speaker 19: Because it was not planned this way, but it was kind of serendipitous. Both albums in the past were released in October.

2:23:27 Speaker 8: Okay.

2:23:28 Speaker 19: So I'm hoping that this album is also out. in October, whether that be next year or the year after. We're a quintessential October kind of band. With our stage show and the way that we present ourselves, we love the fall. We love, especially in New England, being a New England band, the fall is just the best.

2:23:56 Speaker 46: Love the spooky time. As soon as September 1st hit, we were like, get the Halloween decorations out.

2:24:00 Speaker 19: Yeah, that's it.

2:24:01 Speaker 17: Help.

2:24:02 Speaker 8: I hate it.

2:24:02 Speaker 46: Oh, no.

2:24:04 Speaker 27: I do.

2:24:05 Speaker 19: I really do.

2:24:06 Speaker 8: Oh, how can you hate it? Because summer is my favorite time of year.

2:24:08 Speaker 23: Oh, yeah.

2:24:09 Speaker 8: And I always hate to see it go away.

2:24:11 Speaker 46: Yeah. That is the thing. It's like winter is coming.

2:24:13 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:24:14 Speaker 10: Yeah.

2:24:14 Speaker 8: That's why I hate it.

2:24:17 Speaker 19: The only month I absolutely hate living up here is February.

2:24:22 Speaker 23: Really?

2:24:22 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:24:22 Speaker 17: That's it.

2:24:23 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:24:24 Speaker 19: You will be hard-pressed to see the gray curtain plate anywhere.

2:24:28 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:24:29 Speaker 19: Up here in February. It's like, nope, nope, I'm going to be hibernating. There are times where I won't even leave the house. If there's a new video game or a new series or whatnot, right now I'm way behind because it finished a long time ago, but I am just binge-watching Boardwalk Empire because I love Steve Buscemi.

2:24:52 Speaker 8: Yeah, me too. I've never seen the series, but I've always heard that. People have always told me I'd really like it.

2:24:57 Speaker 17: Oh, it's great.

2:24:59 Speaker 19: It's basically, if you've watched one HBO series in the last 10 years, I could say it's like Game of Thrones during the Prohibition era. And I'd be right. But I could also say it's like any other HBO series where it's like, five or six different storylines happening at the same time. There's murder, there's theft, there's conniving characters sneaking behind everybody's back. It's a lot of intrigue.

2:25:35 Speaker 8: It's awesome. I'd probably like that. Do you guys want to play another one?

2:25:40 Speaker 44: Yeah, sure.

2:25:40 Speaker 17: Absolutely.

2:25:41 Speaker 8: So if you're just joining us, we have the Gray Curtain here with us, live in studio.

2:25:46 Speaker 38: There's another new one. Another brand new one. A brief glimpse of hope.

2:25:52 Speaker 8: All right.

2:25:53 Speaker 19: We only played this once, and that was last weekend?

2:25:57 Speaker 22: Yes.

2:25:58 Speaker 8: Oh, okay. This is very new.

2:26:00 Speaker 13: Yes.

2:26:00 Speaker 8: All right.

2:26:00 Speaker 17: I just want to make sure.

2:26:07 Speaker 13: Ah.

2:26:22 Speaker 6: There's an angel in white Stands in the light I can see I hear her.

2:26:30 Speaker 49: Singing Oh happy day, oh happy day She.

2:26:58 Speaker 23: Rushes to me, she can see I'm.

2:27:02 Speaker 19: Broken Do you ask me, sir?

2:27:07 Speaker 23: Do you believe in God? I used to see God's face in the eyes of the one I treasure.

2:27:19 Speaker 19: But she left me broken So did he.

2:27:28 Speaker 23: Oh, the disdain that I feel for God passed behind.

2:27:33 Speaker 6: A thin facade.

2:27:41 Speaker 19: So I say, as.

2:27:44 Speaker 50: Long as I could walk, I've been running.

2:27:52 Speaker 5: As long as I could climb, I've.

2:27:56 Speaker 23: Been falling down. As long as I could see.

2:28:03 Speaker 50: I've been blinded. As long as I could love, I've been full of pain.

2:28:17 Speaker 23: And yet I cling.

2:28:19 Speaker 5: One brief glimpse of hope.

2:28:22 Speaker 6: Guitar solo.

2:28:51 Speaker 23: Storm clouds started circling around above.

2:28:58 Speaker 19: Us So I said, angel This time you went home.

2:29:07 Speaker 23: There are plenty of others who could use your faith and kindness I am broken.

2:29:17 Speaker 19: I can't be saved.

2:29:22 Speaker 23: So she bowed her head in the pouring rain Prayed to God.

2:29:28 Speaker 7: To ease my pain.

2:29:35 Speaker 23: So I said.

2:29:37 Speaker 7: As long as I could walk I've been running As long as I could climb, I've been falling down As long as I could see, I've been blinded As long as I could love, I've been full of hate.

2:30:12 Speaker 23: And yet I cling to one brief glimpse of hope.

2:30:19 Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah.

2:30:58 Speaker 51: The world upon my shoulders A light above my head The world upon my shoulders.

2:31:15 Speaker 23: A light above my head A world upon my shoulders Right above my.

2:31:24 Speaker 5: Head A world upon.

2:31:28 Speaker 6: My shoulders.

2:31:35 Speaker 17: So I say As.

2:31:38 Speaker 50: Long as I could walk I've been running As long as I could climb, I've been falling down.

2:31:54 Speaker 5: As long as I could.

2:31:57 Speaker 45: See, I've been blinded.

2:32:03 Speaker 43: As long as I could love, I've been full of hate And yet I cling to one brief glimpse of hope.

2:32:31 Speaker 8: Wow, that is beautiful.

2:32:32 Speaker 19: Thank you.

2:32:33 Speaker 8: Absolutely. If you're just joining us, the Great Curtain is here with us live in studio. And that's a hell of a song. That's really good.

2:32:41 Speaker 46: Thank you so much.

2:32:42 Speaker 8: Absolutely, absolutely.

2:32:44 Speaker 19: I mentioned this at Cellar, but that was years and years in the making of my relatives, especially my mother, asking me why I don't write anything happy.

2:32:57 Speaker 8: Oh, no kidding.

2:32:58 Speaker 19: Yeah. That's about as close to happy as I can write.

2:33:01 Speaker 46: Happy adjacent.

2:33:02 Speaker 19: It's happy adjacent.

2:33:03 Speaker 46: There's some major chords in there.

2:33:05 Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah.

2:33:07 Speaker 8: Yeah. Now, is that one that you've recorded yet?

2:33:09 Speaker 13: We.

2:33:11 Speaker 19: have not recorded yet. Okay. We have not, uh, had a chance to get into the studio, but yeah. Um, through the help of, uh, various sources, we know like where we're going to be recording. We know like who's going to be recording us. And, uh, yeah, we're, we're honestly, we're like, we're at that point where it's like, we're getting things in order to, uh, to get the new album prepped and ready to be recorded. But, you know, there's still, uh, there's still some writing to do. There's still like, you know, some parts to write and take out and, you know, reformulate and whatnot.

2:33:54 Speaker 19: Um, cause we don't, and it was the same with the last lineup, you know, if anything feels half-assed, we don't, you know, we don't put it on the album.

2:34:07 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:34:08 Speaker 19: And, uh, We have to be proud of each and every track because if any track falters as far as the quality of the album, it also takes away from the story that we're telling. It also takes away from the performance when we're on stage. I would say every song that we've written so far, we're very very excited about we're very proud of good absolutely yeah yeah whether they be uh you know four four you know like verse chorus verse chorus you know pop song or whether they have like eight different parts that yeah you know that that would make maynard james keen and go guys.

2:34:56 Speaker 8: Yeah yeah well very good well uh troy so you have another guitar.

2:35:03 Speaker 46: Yes i uh did a costume change excellent.

2:35:06 Speaker 8: Excellent Well, in that case, I think we should hear another live one.

2:35:09 Speaker 18: Yeah.

2:35:10 Speaker 8: The Gray Curtain is here with us live in studio. What are you going to play?

2:35:12 Speaker 46: We're going to go with Short Term Solution, I think.

2:35:15 Speaker 8: Okay.

2:35:16 Speaker 19: I know this song. This was my brother's favorite song.

2:35:20 Speaker 8: Oh, no kidding.

2:35:22 Speaker 19: When he was on his deathbed, even when the nurses were trying to tend to him, he would stop them and tell them.

2:35:36 Speaker 19: Yeah, yeah. I'll be right with you. But, you know, listen to my brother. Like, listen to this song that my brother wrote.

2:35:42 Speaker 5: Wow.

2:35:46 Speaker 19: I miss them every day.

2:35:47 Speaker 6: You're on?

2:35:49 Speaker 7: Nice.

2:35:49 Speaker 8: There we go.

2:35:50 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:35:51 Speaker 6: Hold on.

2:35:55 Speaker 38: There was something with this guitar that, like, the lower string is a little thumpy.

2:36:01 Speaker 35: Oh.

2:36:02 Speaker 46: Let's go down.

2:36:02 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah. No worries.

2:36:03 Speaker 13: Yes.

2:36:06 Speaker 46: Do some adjustments here, sorry.

2:36:07 Speaker 8: Yeah, no, not at all.

2:36:11 Speaker 19: We'll be right back after these technical difficulties. Yeah, he was a big influence on me. He never, honestly, he never had a chance to see me perform.

2:36:30 Speaker 8: Oh, no kidding.

2:36:31 Speaker 19: You know, he basically had to go from. Videos and, uh, like he saw me performing courses and things like that, you know, but, uh, especially not with this band.

2:36:43 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:36:43 Speaker 19: You know, he was, uh, as Red and Shawshank would say, he was institutionalized, uh, the majority of his life. So anytime that he would be released from prison, he would do something to go back.

2:36:56 Speaker 8: Okay.

2:36:58 Speaker 19: Um, you know, he had a, he had a very hard life, but, uh, I didn't even write this song for him. It was based on me. But the fact that he loved it so much means so much to me. So anytime that we play it, I have to say it was his favorite.

2:37:15 Speaker 13: Wow.

2:37:15 Speaker 17: Okay.

2:37:18 Speaker 5: All right.

2:37:22 Speaker 6: All right. I don't want to write.

2:37:39 Speaker 17: I don't.

2:37:42 Speaker 23: Want to hold I don't want to write I don't wanna code I don't wanna roll with the punches like the others do I don't need to hear your opinion on my life.

2:38:18 Speaker 19: I can't seem.

2:38:19 Speaker 23: To find motivation To leave this room, no, I just need shelter from the outside God set me free from this insanity One more round and I'm on my way.

2:38:53 Speaker 5: I just needed.

2:38:55 Speaker 19: Somewhere to hide.

2:38:58 Speaker 23: Feels like it's raining every day. I forget how the sunshine feels now.

2:39:11 Speaker 5: One more round, bartender.

2:39:16 Speaker 6: One more round.

2:39:20 Speaker 19: Give me one more round.

2:39:27 Speaker 5: One more round.

2:39:59 Speaker 23: There is a need to look eye to eye with.

2:40:04 Speaker 7: The problem in the far room mirror.

2:40:11 Speaker 5: I'm too ashamed.

2:40:15 Speaker 7: To face him. I don't understand the dilemma. With this world around me, I.

2:40:33 Speaker 5: Just can't take all the stress.

2:40:39 Speaker 6: Anymore.

2:40:44 Speaker 7: I can't seem to find motivation.

2:40:49 Speaker 6: To leave this stool no higher. Me. Me.

2:40:58 Speaker 7: I need to resign.

2:41:08 Speaker 23: God set me free from this insanity.

2:41:15 Speaker 6: One more round and it's on my way.

2:41:21 Speaker 23: I just needed somewhere to hide.

2:41:25 Speaker 6: It feels like it's raining every day.

2:41:31 Speaker 5: I forgot how.

2:41:33 Speaker 23: The sunshine feels now.

2:41:38 Speaker 6: One more round.

2:41:43 Speaker 7: Bartender, one more round.

2:41:48 Speaker 6: Give me one more round. Thank you.

2:42:49 Speaker 4: God set me free.

2:42:56 Speaker 7: From this insanity.

2:43:03 Speaker 5: One more round on.

2:43:06 Speaker 6: My way.

2:43:09 Speaker 23: I just needed somewhere to hide.

2:43:12 Speaker 6: It feels like it's raining every day.

2:43:19 Speaker 7: I forgot how the sunshine fell.

2:43:26 Speaker 6: Now, one more round.

2:43:31 Speaker 5: Bartender, one more round.

2:43:36 Speaker 7: Give me one more round.

2:43:44 Speaker 6: One more round.

2:43:49 Speaker 7: One more.

2:44:05 Speaker 8: Oh my God. That's so good. The gray curtain here with us live in studio. Great job guys.

2:44:11 Speaker 19: Thank you.

2:44:11 Speaker 46: Thank you.

2:44:12 Speaker 8: Absolutely. Absolutely.

2:44:14 Speaker 19: I've been over here afraid. I'm like, crackling the mic so i'm like.

2:44:18 Speaker 8: No you're doing great though you're doing great all right i wish everyone who sings like you knew how to do that because not everyone who sings like you.

2:44:26 Speaker 19: Does i've had some real drill sergeant uh voice instructors and uh uh voice teachers uh yeah basically like do this with me a lot right you know if i if i slouch like yeah i'm pretty sure i am be just being like in the position that I am.

2:44:46 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:44:47 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:44:47 Speaker 19: Like I can still feel my chorus teacher, Mr. Adam Kearns. If you're out there, Mr. Adam Kearns, I, you know, I, uh, I, I still remember, uh, anytime that I would slouch in any way, pressing on my stomach, pushing on my back.

2:45:02 Speaker 49: Yep.

2:45:02 Speaker 12: Yep.

2:45:03 Speaker 13: Yep.

2:45:03 Speaker 5: I'm good.

2:45:06 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:45:07 Speaker 31: Yeah.

2:45:07 Speaker 19: He was a good man.

2:45:08 Speaker 10: Yeah.

2:45:08 Speaker 8: Excellent. Excellent. Uh, the gray curtain is here with us live in studio and they will be at swarmy fest. Uh, coming up on Saturday the 19th at a jewel music venue. And, uh, we always look forward to swarmy fest every year. Um, do you guys want to, uh, before time gets short, do you want to play one more?

2:45:24 Speaker 6: Yeah. Yeah.

2:45:25 Speaker 8: I'm done. I'm done here.

2:45:27 Speaker 13: Another one.

2:45:27 Speaker 46: I'm down for one more.

2:45:28 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:45:28 Speaker 8: You guys want to do one more?

2:45:29 Speaker 19: Yeah, we can do another one.

2:45:30 Speaker 41: Yeah.

2:45:31 Speaker 46: We got a cover that we can do.

2:45:33 Speaker 23: Oh yeah.

2:45:33 Speaker 37: Yeah.

2:45:34 Speaker 46: Do you want to do that?

2:45:34 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:45:35 Speaker 19: Let's do that.

2:45:36 Speaker 10: All right.

2:45:37 Speaker 8: What is it?

2:45:38 Speaker 24: Uh, go ahead.

2:45:40 Speaker 46: Uh, Oh, my God. My mind just went blank.

2:45:44 Speaker 17: Mad Season.

2:45:45 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:45:45 Speaker 19: I was going to say, not Alice in Chains.

2:45:47 Speaker 46: Not Alice in Chains. Mad Season, River of Deceit.

2:45:49 Speaker 8: Oh, wow. I haven't... I haven't heard that song in probably a couple decades, literally. Great song, though. Great choice.

2:45:56 Speaker 46: We broke this one out a couple times, and people are like, oh, my God.

2:45:59 Speaker 12: Yeah.

2:46:00 Speaker 19: Why don't you guys play that all the time?

2:46:02 Speaker 8: Because they only did the one album, right?

2:46:03 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:46:04 Speaker 8: Because they were a super group, and they just, yeah, super groups usually only do one album.

2:46:07 Speaker 17: Usually, yeah.

2:46:09 Speaker 19: It seems to be the trend with a lot of the covers that are being thrown around in our band.

2:46:15 Speaker 23: Really?

2:46:15 Speaker 17: Oh, yeah.

2:46:16 Speaker 19: Like, we're all like, oh, wait. What was the other one that was brought up recently? Oh, Temple of the Dog.

2:46:24 Speaker 23: Oh, really?

2:46:25 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:46:26 Speaker 19: I was like, yeah, yeah, we'll do a Temple of the Dog song, absolutely.

2:46:29 Speaker 8: Yeah, I can imagine you guys doing Hunger Strike. Yeah, yeah.

2:46:33 Speaker 19: Especially with Sean and Troy's harmonies with me.

2:46:38 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:46:39 Speaker 19: I'm looking forward to doing stuff like that.

2:46:42 Speaker 8: Yeah, no doubt, no doubt. We're at the Grey Curtain live in the studio.

2:46:51 Speaker 6: Guitar solo guitar solo so so My pain Is self-throating At.

2:47:50 Speaker 7: Least So the prophets ¶ ¶ ¶.

2:48:16 Speaker 5: I could either burn.

2:48:18 Speaker 7: ¶ ¶ ¶ Or cut off my pride ¶ ¶ ¶ And buy some.

2:48:25 Speaker 11: Time ¶ ¶ ¶ A.

2:48:28 Speaker 50: Head full of lies ¶ ¶ ¶ Is.

2:48:30 Speaker 7: The weight ¶ ¶ ¶ Dying through my.

2:48:33 Speaker 6: Waist ¶ ¶ ¶ ¶.

2:48:40 Speaker 5: The river of the sea goes down, yeah The only direction it goes.

2:48:54 Speaker 22: Is down Down, oh down.

2:49:04 Speaker 5: Down, oh, down Down, oh, down Down, oh, down.

2:49:43 Speaker 52: My pain Is self-chosen At.

2:49:54 Speaker 23: Least So the prophet says Mm-hmm.

2:50:08 Speaker 5: I could either drown Or pull off my skin and swim to shore.

2:50:19 Speaker 23: Now I have grown a beautiful Shell over all the sea.

2:50:27 Speaker 5: The river of.

2:50:32 Speaker 6: The sea goes down.

2:50:38 Speaker 45: Yeah The only direction it goes.

2:50:45 Speaker 5: Is down.

2:50:49 Speaker 22: Down Oh, down Down Oh, down Down Oh, down Down Oh, down My.

2:51:14 Speaker 7: Pain is self-closing.

2:51:25 Speaker 5: My pain is self-closing Down.

2:51:36 Speaker 6: Oh, down.

2:51:39 Speaker 5: Down, oh down.

2:51:43 Speaker 6: Down, oh down.

2:51:45 Speaker 5: Down, oh down.

2:52:04 Speaker 8: I've got chills, guys. That was amazing. Thank you. I did not expect that. That was a really, really cool surprise. If you're just joining us, we have the Gray Curtain here with us live in the studio. Like I said, I haven't heard that song in a really long time, but that was fantastic.

2:52:20 Speaker 46: Love that one.

2:52:20 Speaker 17: Absolutely.

2:52:22 Speaker 8: Absolutely. Before we run out of time, two things. One is, of course, we want to remind everybody about Swarmy Fest. coming up Saturday the 19th, and obviously you guys will be there. Doors open at 7 at Jewel Music Venue at 61 Canal Street, right across the street, actually. which is cool because I just park over here and walk over. But don't tell anybody.

2:52:43 Speaker 46: It's definitely going to be fun.

2:52:44 Speaker 38: We've played with 3FD and Grimm before.

2:52:47 Speaker 46: I love Grimm.

2:52:47 Speaker 19: I love Grimm.

2:52:48 Speaker 46: Shout out to Devin.

2:52:51 Speaker 8: So the thing about Grimm, the acronym, we were supposed to have them on the show recently, and they canceled because I guess one of the guys is leaving or did leave.

2:52:58 Speaker 38: Devin, I think, was doing stuff with Young Other on tour with Lacey Sturm.

2:53:04 Speaker 9: Oh, okay.

2:53:04 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:53:04 Speaker 46: I'm friends with all those guys oh okay yeah yeah in the loop on that but yeah.

2:53:09 Speaker 8: Lame excuse I know right so I was told I mean I don't know if this still holds true and you probably know better than me that Grimm is after the show they're taking a break.

2:53:19 Speaker 38: I'm not too sure about that but I do know that Devin is kind of going full in with we're not full in but like more involved with Young Other, so.

2:53:27 Speaker 8: Gotcha, gotcha.

2:53:28 Speaker 46: I would assume, yeah.

2:53:29 Speaker 8: That explains it.

2:53:30 Speaker 46: I don't want to speak for him, but that's why.

2:53:31 Speaker 8: Yeah, yeah.

2:53:32 Speaker 19: And then, you know, 3FD, we did a show in Maine with those guys, what, two years ago?

2:53:38 Speaker 46: Yeah, like two years ago.

2:53:42 Speaker 19: Yeah, it was two years ago over at.

2:53:44 Speaker 46: Charlie's Hill.

2:53:44 Speaker 19: Charlie's Hill.

2:53:45 Speaker 8: Oh, okay.

2:53:46 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:53:46 Speaker 13: Cool. Yeah.

2:53:47 Speaker 8: I haven't seen them. I'm not familiar with them at all, actually.

2:53:50 Speaker 19: Yeah, they're good.

2:53:51 Speaker 8: They're fun.

2:53:51 Speaker 46: They're a fun group of guys.

2:53:53 Speaker 19: Yeah.

2:53:53 Speaker 8: Elder P. Sloan we had on the show, uh, recently. They were, they were a lot of fun. They were really cool.

2:53:58 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:53:58 Speaker 19: I'm really looking forward to the bands that I haven't heard.

2:54:00 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:54:01 Speaker 19: You know, I'm always, I'm always interested in checking out the other bands. Sepsis and Grey Curtain, like we've played a lot of shows on, like we were on the same, uh, we were on like the same set.

2:54:15 Speaker 13: Right.

2:54:15 Speaker 19: Right. But you know, it's like they would play this stage, you know, in this room and then we'd play this stage in this room and our camps never really intersected until probably a year or two ago.

2:54:28 Speaker 18: Yes. Yeah.

2:54:29 Speaker 19: So, uh, yeah, we're, uh, we're looking forward to, I mean, we've only played the jewel once and that was a great time.

2:54:35 Speaker 12: Oh yeah.

2:54:36 Speaker 8: That was the first time we saw you.

2:54:37 Speaker 17: Yeah.

2:54:37 Speaker 8: It was a jewel.

2:54:38 Speaker 13: Yeah.

2:54:38 Speaker 10: Yep.

2:54:38 Speaker 23: Yep.

2:54:39 Speaker 13: Yep.

2:54:39 Speaker 19: That was a, that was a good time. I, I mean, nine times out of ten, any time that we do, like, a show for Justin, Justin Marcotte, you know, we end up having a good time.

2:54:52 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:54:53 Speaker 19: Great bands. Yeah. Bands that we get along with, bands that, you know, we like musically.

2:54:59 Speaker 8: Yeah.

2:54:59 Speaker 19: But then again, that's not exactly a high bar given the scene and the talent in it.

2:55:05 Speaker 8: Oh, yeah.

2:55:06 Speaker 5: Yeah.

2:55:06 Speaker 8: So much great talent here. The other thing, too, I want to make sure people know is where is the best place to go online to keep up with everything that the Gray Curtain is doing.

2:55:14 Speaker 46: Pretty much Facebook, Instagram, Gray Curtain.

2:55:17 Speaker 19: I was going to say anywhere. Anywhere except Amazon Music for some reason. Oh, really? I think the last two times we were here, that's what I basically said.

2:55:28 Speaker 8: I remember you saying that.

2:55:29 Speaker 19: Yeah. I think someone brought it up at Cellar. The reason is because we didn't check the box online. I was like, oh, okay.

2:55:39 Speaker 8: You got to check the box.

2:55:40 Speaker 19: Yeah. CD, baby.

2:55:42 Speaker 46: Check the box.

2:55:43 Speaker 19: Yeah. Spotify, Apple Music, Bandcamp, Facebook, Instagram. We're all over the place, man.

2:55:52 Speaker 8: Absolutely. Guys, thank you so much. This has been wonderful. Dennis and Troy, thank you both.

2:55:55 Speaker 46: Thank you so much for having us.

2:55:57 Speaker 8: Absolutely.

2:55:58 Speaker 19: Anytime you need us, want us, we're here, Matt.

2:56:01 Speaker 17: We love you.

2:56:02 Speaker 8: That's wonderful. No, same. And thanks for playing live. That was a really cool surprise.

2:56:05 Speaker 2: Of course.

2:56:06 Speaker 8: Absolutely. And, of course, thank you to everybody who joined us today. If you missed any part of today's show, it will be up in just a little bit at WMNHradio.org, at MattConnerton.com, and, of course, the new site, MattConnertonUnleashed.com.

2:56:20 Speaker 24: Here it is.

2:56:21 Speaker 8: Short-term solution.

2:56:22 Speaker 17: All right.

2:56:23 Speaker 8: Actually, I'll leave it in. It's more fun. It'll be a great curtain.

2:56:25 Speaker 5: All right.

2:56:25 Speaker 8: Bye, everybody.

2:56:40 Speaker 6: I don't want to write. I don't want to hold. I don't want to write.

2:56:51 Speaker 18: I don't want to call.

2:57:03 Speaker 6: With the punches. like the others do I don't need to hear your opinion on my life.

2:57:23 Speaker 18: I can't seem.

2:57:24 Speaker 23: To find motivation to leave this room.

2:57:30 Speaker 44: No, I just need shelter from the outside.

2:57:36 Speaker 6: God set me free from this insanity.

2:57:57 Speaker 50: Where to hide feels like it's raining every day I forget how the sunshine feels one more.

2:58:27 Speaker 6: Thank you.

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