Matt Connarton Unleashed 9-12-26 hour 2

0:19 Speaker 1: Very childish joy in cold basement. Too bad memories in my head.

0:35 Speaker 2: Let me return to.

0:37 Speaker 1: Dawn of remembrance. Shoot the roses from the paradise gardens.

1:10 Speaker 1: Maybe I will finally feel something Leave me only for us to break my conscience Maybe I will finally feel something I want to hear silence, I want to see nothing Through the eyes of black men, no purpose, no hope No love, no love, no love No love, no love Maybe I finally feel something Leave me only for once to break my conscience Maybe I finally feel something

3:07 Speaker 1: I want to hear silence, I want to see nothing Through the eyes of blind men, no purpose, no hope, no love No love, no love I want to hear silence, I want to see nothing Through the eyes of blind men, no purpose, no hope, no love No love.

3:39 Speaker 2: No love.

3:41 Speaker 3: No love.

3:43 Speaker 2: No love.

3:58 Speaker 4: That is Soleno. The project is Death by Love, and we've got Pete Gwellard coming up with us live to talk about the project Death by Love, and I'm looking forward to talking to him if it happens. Now, there seems to be an issue. I think he's having a problem connecting, so trying to get that figured out. So what we might do is play another song, and we'll see if we can get him connected. But welcome, everybody. If you are listening live on Saturday... September 12, 2026. We have entered our number two numero dos of Matt Connerton Unleashed, and we are live from the studios of WMNH 95.3 FM in glorious Manchester, New Hampshire.

4:37 Speaker 4: And of course, you can stream the show from anywhere. You can go to mattconnerton.com slash live and get the show there, or for all of your live streaming options, social media links, contact info show archives. et cetera, et cetera. Check out our new site, mattconnertonunleashed.com. I've been working hard on that, and I think it's finally... pretty much where I want it. Although we will be adding a lot of new content. We'll be adding some articles to it too. So not just audio content, but articles as well.

5:04 Speaker 4: There's a couple of things up there now, but we're really going to build that out going forward. So mattconnertonunleashed.com. Please let me know what you think about it. I love feedback, good, bad, and different, but I would love to hear from you and how you feel about it. But I think what we're going to do right now, so we'll see if we can get this figured out with Pete. to get him on the show with us. And if it doesn't work out, we'll just have to move on. But we are supposed to be joined by Pete Wellard from Death By Love.

5:31 Speaker 4: And I do really like this project. So I'm looking forward to speaking with him. If it happens, if it doesn't, hey, that's the adventure of live radio. Coming up in the third hour today, we have Dennis and Troy from the band The Gray Curtain. And they are going to come in. And one of the things that we're going to be talking about is Swarmy Fest, which is now only one week away coming up September 19th. I'm so excited. I can't even talk. September 19th at Jewel Music Venue at 61 Canal Street. It's actually, and again, this doesn't mean anything to you if you don't know the area.

6:00 Speaker 4: You're just listening on the radio, but it's actually right across the street from the radio station, so very convenient. But that is coming up next Saturday, the 19th at Jewel Music Venue, Swarmy Fest. And of course, the Grey Curtain is one of the bands that will be playing that day, so we're going to have Dennis and Troy on with us. But I think what we'll do now is let's play another track from Death by Love. This is one that I really like. It's called In Unity. We'll see if we can get this figured out.

6:25 Speaker 4: Technology does challenge us at times. Hopefully we can get them connected. And if not, we'll have to move on. But there's always plenty of interesting things to talk about going on in the music industry. But here it is. This is Death by Love. This track is called In Unity.

7:10 Speaker 2: Thank you. We chase our hopes and we follow our dreams. Dreams, our dreams, our dreams, our dreams.

8:14 Speaker 1: Rise above like angels in flight, and raise it down.

8:23 Speaker 5: A place where spirits are.

8:25 Speaker 1: Bold Our story unfolds A tale to be told Together we will reach the promised land with open hearts.

9:22 Speaker 5: And minds of free.

10:06 Speaker 1: We will rise above like angels and flies And break down and.

10:12 Speaker 6: Conquer the night We had some.

10:15 Speaker 1: Ways and spirits so bold Our story unfolds, the tale to.

10:20 Speaker 7: Be told In unity we stand A force so grand.

10:50 Speaker 1: Am I so free?

11:40 Speaker 4: I like that. That is in unity. The project is Death by Love. And unfortunately, so we're supposed to have Pete Gwellard here with us, but he is apparently having a problem getting connected where he is to restream. And so he can't get online with us. So we're going to have to reschedule that. So what can you do? We'll have to move on. It is the adventure of live radio. These things happen, not the first time. That's okay, though. We have plenty to talk about. But the project is Death by Love, and I do hope we can have Pete on in the future.

12:10 Speaker 4: But again, this is Matt Connerton Unleashed. Welcome, everybody, here on this Saturday, for those of you listening live, September 12, 2026. We do have some chat room activity, by the way, so I just want to make sure we say hello to everybody in there. B. Pinard, who is a very consistent and dedicated listener here, says, good morning, everyone. Good morning, B. Oh, we also have Loud Entertainment. Of course, Loud Entertainment. We'll see them next week at Swarmy Fest, which we'll talk about again in a moment to remind you all.

12:39 Speaker 4: Isaac Banks, or our old friend Isaac Banks from Greensboro, South Carolina, in the Facebook live chat says, I do so love reading these. If you're a longtime listener of the show, you know that. Isaac says, good morning, hashtag Matt. How are you doing this morning? Who's the guest? Good morning, hashtag Moses Simmons. How are you doing this morning? Listen, my friend, Lucera Huntley, just want to say that she wants you to be back on Facebook, TikTok, and Instagram, please, buddy. Jenny, of course, is in the chat room and says, my favorite.

13:16 Speaker 4: Isaac Banks says, wow, who is banned? Strawberry Fields, a good version. Hashtag Moses Stimmons. Please do chat messages to me. I was planning a shout out to Moses Stimmons. Timmons from Greensboro, North Carolina, and lives in Greensboro, North Carolina. I misspoke. I said South Carolina. My apologies to Isaac Banks. Isaac Banks also says, good morning, Sepsis. How are you doing? Good morning, Lucera Huntley, Charles Richardson, Taryn Stinson, and Sarah Wright. Also, Missy Patterson. Sepsis in the chat room says, reply to Isaac Banks.

13:56 Speaker 4: Isaac Banks, hello.

13:57 Speaker 6: Hello.

13:58 Speaker 4: Isaac Banks says, Sepsis, how are you doing? I will be watching you both on Facebook live again. And Jenny says, Sepsis, I'm so excited. It's almost Swarmy Fest day. Yes, so that gets us caught up on that. So Swarmy Fest, again, it's only one week from today. If you're listening on Saturday, it's coming up this coming Saturday, the 19th at Jewel Music Venue. If I'm looking at the correct current lineup, Uh, we've got sepsis, of course, headlining, uh, pH Texera. I'm sure I'm not pronouncing that correctly.

14:32 Speaker 4: Uh, the gray curtain. And by the way, just a reminder, we will have Dennis and Troy from the band, the gray curtain here with us in the third hour, grim, the acronym, grim, the acronym. elder p sloan singe and 3fd so uh that is the lineup uh that is happening next weekend at jewel music venue 61 canal street doors at seven uh please come join us it's a wonderful time every year we look forward to swarmy fest it's a little early this year usually it's in november this year we get it in september so we're Very excited about that.

15:06 Speaker 4: The fifth annual Swarmy Fest. Jenny and I will be there, of course. Matt Connerton Unleashed is one of the official sponsors of the show. Loud Entertainment, of course. Great to have them there. See them. Got to get them back on the show. But let's see. I think right now, though, I want to... Something that caught my eye that I want to tell you all about. Alanis Morissette. So if you heard last week's show, you know, because we do like to talk about music industry news, especially if we're in a situation where we have a little extra time to fill when something goes wrong.

15:42 Speaker 4: Alanis Morissette, we talked about last week, this really pretty shocking story. And you can find the clip. It's on YouTube. It's at mattconnertonunleashed.com. Alanis Morissette versus tour manager, I believe is what we titled it. Um, a lot of small set is suing her former tour manager for, and no, I'm not going to repeat the whole story. Now you can go back and listen to it later, but, uh, or you can look it up, but, She is suing her former tour manager for extortion because her former... I almost can't believe I'm saying this.

16:16 Speaker 4: It still just seems so surreal. Her former tour manager apparently threatened to frame Alanis Morissette for drug trafficking if Alanis Morissette did not offer her former tour manager a 15-year contract at a ridiculous salary and with huge bonuses. A 15-year contract. And the tour manager said, if you don't do this, I am going to frame you for drug trafficking. And as I mentioned last week on the show, I've heard, we've all heard some crazy stories about people... in the business side of things, screwing over the artists whom they are supposed to represent.

17:00 Speaker 4: And it's a tale as old as the music industry. You know, I think I referred last week to a couple instances, for example, like Billy Joel, I think it was his own brother-in-law was an accountant or a business manager for Billy Joel and embezzled millions of dollars from him. It happened to sting. It's happened to a lot of people.

17:18 Speaker 3: Yeah.

17:20 Speaker 4: Sometimes it's not even malicious. Sometimes it happens not because someone is trying to steal, but just out of incompetence, too. There's a great book. You know, Kiss is my favorite band, as regular listeners know. There's a great book called Kiss and Sell, The Making of a Supergroup. It was written by Chris Lent, who worked for an accounting firm called Glicksman Marks. in the 80s for Glickman Marks. And Lent wrote this book, and it talks about a lot of the financial mismanagement that went on behind the scenes with Kiss from probably, what, 81 to 87, 88.

18:10 Speaker 4: And, you know, Paul Stanley and Gene Simmons ended up firing the accounting firm that they'd been with for a long time. But Um, that's a, that's a wild story. It's a great book. I recommend it. It's called Kiss and Sell. Uh, C.K. Lent, I think is how he's, he's known in the industry as Chris Lent, but I think he went by C.K. Lent, uh, on the book. And it's, it's really, even if you're not a Kiss fan, it's just an interesting read. Um, it's a light read, although it does get pretty granular on some things, but anyway, so, you know, sometimes it just happens because people are incompetent, but a lot of times it's someone with malicious intent stealing.

18:46 Speaker 4: from the very people they're supposed to be representing. And when I was talking last week about the situation with Alanis Morissette and her former tour manager, because that's beyond anything, any kind of weird story like this I've ever heard, where, you know, again, I'll say it again because it just sounds so bizarre. It's hard to believe it's real. But her former tour manager threatened to frame her for drug trafficking if she didn't give her a 15-year contract. with a very high salary. And as I said last week with friends like, you know, with tour managers like that who needs enemies.

19:24 Speaker 4: But I also referred to, this isn't even the first time that something crazy has happened to Alanis Morissette, but the thing that happened before back in 2017 was a little more, how should I put it, a little more of a traditional somebody on the team screws over the artist they're supposed to be representing type story. shall we say, a little more conventional. Conventional might be the better word because usually... usually these things involve embezzlement. They don't usually involve threatening someone with trying to blackmail someone with threats of framing them for drug trafficking.

20:02 Speaker 4: It doesn't usually involve that. It's usually a matter of embezzlement. So Alanis Morissette Apparently in 2017. I looked it up. I was looking for an update on the tour manager situation. Apparently there's no update at the moment. By the way, though, I will just say this. This is something I don't think I mentioned last week. It's interesting to me that it's a civil lawsuit that's been brought against this tour manager. But as far as I'm aware, there's no sort of criminal case pending there. Because what she did, and maybe there will be, maybe she will be charged with something too, this tour manager, because what she did.

20:41 Speaker 3: Not only.

20:45 Speaker 4: Not only does it merit certainly a civil lawsuit, but I would think it would merit criminal penalties as well. Because I don't know if you all know this, but extortion is illegal. And the store manager, she had her lawyers drafting these letters that went to Alanis Morissette threatening to frame her It's wild, isn't it? Threatening. You got to go back and listen to the whole clip. I explained the whole thing last week, but these lawyers were drafting these letters threatening to extort, you know, Alanis Morissette and frame her for drug trafficking if she didn't cooperate.

21:26 Speaker 4: So not only are these things a matter of, again, a civil lawsuit is appropriate, sure, but I think it would also be appropriate if this woman be charged with something, this tour manager, because what she did is clearly illegal and it's clearly fraud. It is illegal to, I mean, unless I misunderstand, look, I'm not a legal expert of any kind. I don't have a background in law, but I'm pretty sure... that it's illegal to threaten to extort someone for something that they didn't even do. Like, if I say to you, you give me this, you do what I want, or I'm going to frame you for a crime, isn't that illegal?

22:11 Speaker 4: Am I wrong? Maybe I'm wrong. I would think that would be a criminal act, right? So anyway, but apparently, no, it's all civil at this point. But so I found something. So I'm looking for an update. I found this, and this further explains what happened to Alanis Morissette previously back in 2017. This is from Entertainment Weekly, and I didn't get a chance to pre-read this, so I'll be learning a lot along with all of you. It says, Alanis Morissette says a woman's intuition led her to suspect former business manager of stealing from her.

22:49 Speaker 4: The ironic singer shared that she had a suspicion something was off about her books after she switched business managers. So this just went up a couple days ago. So key points first, and then we'll look at the actual article. It says, Alanis Morissette recalled the moment she realized her former business manager was likely stealing from her, noting her suspicions were a woman's intuition. Jonathan Todd Schwartz was sentenced to six years in federal prison in 2017 for stealing $ 7. 2 million from his clients, including $ 4.

23:18 Speaker 4: 8 million from Alanis Morissette.

23:24 Speaker 4: Now Morissette is once again in a legal battle with a team member, and as she is suing her former tour manager over claims of extortion. Okay, so it says here, Again, this is from Entertainment Weekly. Amid her most recent legal battle, Alanis Morissette is opening up about another time she felt betrayed by a member of her team. Morissette recently recalled the moment she realized that her former business manager was embezzling money from her, certified public accountant Jonathan Todd Schwartz, who previously managed the finances of celebrities like Beyonce and Gwyneth Paltrow.

23:58 Speaker 4: was sentenced to six years in federal prison in 2017 after pleading guilty to wire fraud and tax fraud charges. He was accused of stealing $ 7. 2 million from his clients, including $ 4. 8 million from Morissette. Something felt weird, the singer said on the Wednesday episode of Call Her Daddy. A woman's intuition, she said. Going off her gut feeling, Morissette who at that point had changed accountants, went to her new business manager with her suspicions. She and her husband, Mario Treadway, had seen some inaccurate calculations when looking at her finances.

24:36 Speaker 4: She recalled, quote, I just kept going into the new business manager's office over and over and saying, I need more information because something's up and I don't know what. And I kept coming in to the point where, God bless, they said, why are you here in this boardroom? And I said, I still don't have the answer yet, unquote. After she brought some papers with inconsistencies in for her team's review, they reviewed the documents and asked her if she spent a lot of cash. Although the experience was frustrating, Morissette emphasized that she stayed the course and kept showing up to get answers.

25:11 Speaker 4: When Schwartz was sentenced, Morissette spoke at his hearing and was relieved that the case was presided over by a woman, United District Court Judge Dolly M. Gee. The ironic singer... had been concerned that the system had, quote, bias against wealth, bias against women, bias against women knowing. I just looked right at her. It was really actually quite corrective for me, unquote. Following his prison sentence, Schwartz has spoken publicly about stealing from his clients, apologizing for his actions, and sharing his attempts to make amends as part of his sobriety journey.

25:51 Speaker 4: In a recent interview on Chatter That Matters podcast, published on August 13, he noted that he has not spoken to Morissette since his sentencing as he believes it would cause her more harm than good.

26:04 Speaker 4: He said on the podcast, quote, none of those people deserve my behavior and Alanis certainly did not. I mean, she was an incredibly wonderful client and I violated my fiduciary responsibility, unquote. However, he does have a message for the you ought to know artist in the event that the two do ever cross paths. Quote, I would say, may I please speak to you for a moment and hope she says yes. I would cry and tell her how much pain and suffering I caused her. And I'm very sorry, and I hope she can forgive me, but I understand if she cannot, unquote.

26:40 Speaker 4: And the legal battles continue with Morissette, who recently sued, so this will catch us up on that, who recently sued her ex-tour manager on claims of civil extortion fraud and negligent misrepresentation. She is seeking compensatory damages in excess of $ 75, 000. The Grammy winner accused, Karen Uranoff, whom she hired temporarily to work on her 2025 world tour of a calculated blackmail campaign. In a lawsuit obtained by Entertainment Weekly, she alleged that Uranov threatened to report her for drug trafficking, quote, unless Morissette agrees to employ her as a tour director for 15 years and pay her massive compensation, unquote.

27:20 Speaker 4: In a statement, Uranov's London-based attorney told EW, Entertainment Weekly, that his client, quote, is only aware that defensive proceedings in the U.S. have been issued against her from contacts by the media. No proceedings have been served on her, nor ever threatened. Ms. Uranov totally rejects any allegation of blackmail, unquote. attorney Mark Lewis continued, quote, rather than being paid off, Ms. Uranoff has sought to have her name cleared and will adduce the evidence, I don't know that word, adduce the evidence that shows the truth about Ms. Morissette's actions.

28:00 Speaker 7: Ms.

28:00 Speaker 4: Uranoff has no issue with the trial judge determining the truth. We are content to let the court determine what happened rather than trying to concoct a false narrative. So, there you have it. That kind of gets us a little bit caught up on that. So I guess there was a little bit of an update on the story we were talking about last week because her attorneys have spoken, Karen Uranoff's attorneys have spoken. That's the tour manager who allegedly tried to extort a 15 year contract out of Alanis Morissette.

28:35 Speaker 4: So there's a, there's the update for you. But again, it's such, that's the thing, you know, Being a famous musician and a very wealthy and successful musician obviously is a wonderful thing, but it's kind of like that Notorious B.I.G. song, Mo' Money, Mo' Problems. There are problems that come with it, and one of the problems is it seems like everyone tries to steal from you.

29:06 Speaker 3: Yeah.

29:08 Speaker 4: You can't trust anybody. I mean, it's just amazing. And look, I don't mean to, as someone who is a part of the music industry, I don't mean to disparage anybody in a broad sense, but I'm just saying these stories are not unusual. Like, I'm sure there's nobody listening to me talk about this stuff and saying to themselves, wow, this is shocking. I didn't know this kind of thing went on. You know, no. Everybody knows You know, it could be a business manager. It could be an accountant. In Alanis Morissette's case, it could be a tour manager.

29:45 Speaker 4: this recent time. It's very often a record label. There is no shortage of stories of artists suing record labels for unpaid royalties. That happens a lot. There's all kinds of things that go on where, you know, it sounds great, and I'm sure, generally speaking, it is great to be rich and famous, but you are vulnerable to people trying to steal from you. Hey, at least when you're broke... Nobody can steal from you because you have nothing for them to take, right? So there is that. But money does bring a set of problems that you might not have anticipated.

30:27 Speaker 4: Granted, if you're rich enough, you can weather any of it, too. Like, I remember when it happened to Sting. And I think in Sting's case, just like with Billy Joel, I think in Sting's case, it was a family member who stole from him. who was on his team and a business manager or an accountant or somebody. But I remember him saying in an interview, something like, you know, it hasn't affected my life at all because even though he took a lot of money, I have so much money. I mean, he didn't put it quite so brashly, but basically he said, I have so much money that it, I almost, you know, it's no wonder that I didn't notice.

31:01 Speaker 4: And it, it hasn't impacted my life at all. Not having that money doesn't make it okay for someone to steal it from me, but it hasn't affected me at all. But it does make sense. If you think about it, like, Somebody who's super wealthy. Like, if you have $ 100 million and somebody steals $ 5 million from you, they manage to embezzle $ 5 million, obviously that's a tremendous amount of money. But if you have $ 100 million and someone embezzles $ 5 million, you still have $ 95 million, right?

31:31 Speaker 8: So....

31:36 Speaker 4: You know, when somebody like Sting says, you know, well, yeah, this happened to me, but don't cry for me. I was fine. Yeah, he was more than fine. By the way, I'm not excusing that. It doesn't make it okay to steal $ 5 million from somebody just because they have $ 100 million and they're still going to have $ 95 after you steal that $ 5. I don't want anyone to misunderstand. I'm not justifying that. or shrugging that off. That's terrible. You shouldn't do that. The other thing that I always find a little bit fascinating about this is, why do people think they're even going to get away with it?

32:08 Speaker 4: Look what happened to the guy. What's his name? Jonathan Todd Schwartz? He probably... He was already the former business manager for Alanis Morissette at this point when he was found out, so he probably thought he was in the clear, but No, he was not. And he did get caught and ended up serving six years in federal prison for it. So is it worth the risk? Because here's the thing. If you're in his position and you're already managing the finances of all these very wealthy and famous people, you're already probably pretty rich yourself, right?

32:42 Speaker 4: You're already probably earning tremendous sums of money. But people get greedy. They get greedy. They're already making millions of dollars and they say, well, I could even make more millions of dollars if I just steal some of it.

33:00 Speaker 1: You know?

33:01 Speaker 4: But I don't know. But it's, like I said, it's a tale as old as the music industry. There's nothing unusual about any of it. Jeez, what was it? It was at least more than a year ago now, but we were talking on the show about, and I don't even know what the status, I don't even know what ended up happening with this, but Limp Bizkit was suing Universal Music Group, or Fred Durst brought a lawsuit against Universal Music Group, because they were not paying... They owed Limp Bizkit, allegedly, millions of dollars in unpaid royalties.

33:35 Speaker 4: And Limp Bizkit hadn't been paid anything in royalties in... like ever almost. Right. And, um, and when we were talking about that story and you get into the details of it too, part of the, part of the reason record labels get away with it so often is they use a, and I, I learned this term, uh, spaghetti accounting where, where they make everything so complicated and so convoluted and it's done intentionally and that it's hard to even... You have to hire a forensic accountant to even figure out what's going on here to get to the bottom of it and figure out what you're actually owed because they just make it so complicated that it becomes really easy to hide the money, I guess is what I'm saying.

34:23 Speaker 4: If you're a record label like UMG and you're allegedly... I don't want to get in trouble. Allegedly, but intentionally... hiding money or you've created a system that makes it easy to hide money from an artist on your label to whom you owe huge sums of money, allegedly. You know, it's all by design. It's not, but even, it even happens with small independent labels. You know, there's stories of artists, you know, they sign a contract with a label and they think they're owed money and they're not paid it, or they think they're owed money, and it turns out they're not owed money, because sometimes people sign contracts that aren't necessarily good.

35:14 Speaker 4: Somebody might get excited. I don't think this happens nearly as much as it used to, but somebody gets offered a record contract, whether it's by a major label or whether it's by a small independent label, and they're like, oh, I'm going to get signed. I'm going to be a signed artist, and they sign the contract without having an entertainment lawyer look at it first, and then they end up in a situation where They're selling a lot of units. They're doing very well. Lots of downloads online. They think they're doing great.

35:41 Speaker 4: They're making all this money, but they're not getting paid anything. And then it turns out the way their contract is structured, and this is a standard thing, they don't get to make any money until whatever money the record label spent marketing them has been recouped. That word recoupment, that can be a very ugly word in the music industry because, you know, and there's no, a lot of you, if you're old enough to remember, you might remember TLC when the album Crazy Sexy Cool came out. This was back in the 90s.

36:16 Speaker 4: That's why I say if you're old enough to remember. Crazy Sexy Cool came out. It was hugely successful. Triple Platinum sold over 3 million albums and they were broke. They were broke.

36:28 Speaker 9: Literally.

36:29 Speaker 7: Literally.

36:32 Speaker 4: They weren't seeing any of that money because the way the contract was structured, the label had spent all this money on music videos and everything to make sure these songs were big hits, you know, like Creep and Waterfalls. Was Waterfalls on that one or was Waterfalls on the next one? Because I feel like that's their biggest hit.

36:53 Speaker 4: I love Creep and No Scrubs. Those were my two favorite TLC songs. No Scrubs was definitely on the second one. I can't remember which album Waterfalls was on. Um, but anyway, you know, and the label showed them the contract and said, look, this is why you're broke. This is the deal you signed. And somehow they got something renegotiated or they got a, I think they got a very, uh, high power, high profile attorney involved because things can be renegotiated. But, but, but this kind of thing goes on.

37:25 Speaker 4: kind of thing goes on. You know, I mentioned Kiss earlier. Kiss is my favorite band. This is even covered in Chris Lentz's book that I referred to earlier, Kiss and Sell. Kiss actually had to sue their label over some unpaid royalties back in the early 80s. And that actually didn't go that well for Kiss in their case. They did get something, but they didn't get the settlement they were expecting to get out of it. But that's in that book. I should, I wonder if I can get him on the show. That would be, he'd be a fascinating person to talk to.

37:56 Speaker 4: I don't think he does a lot of interviews, though, Chris Lent. Let's see, where are, oh, you know what? We have time. I wanted to do, you know, we never mentioned it last week, the passing of Dolly Parton. Just didn't get to it. But, you know, she was obviously a great person and and revered by everyone. You certainly didn't have to be a country music fan to be a fan of Dolly Parton. But I happened to see this come up, so I regret that we didn't get to it last week, but Digital Music News has a story up.

38:29 Speaker 4: So this is just kind of interesting and fun. This just went up yesterday. It's an article titled, Departin' from Departin' is a Go! Nashville Airport to be renamed after Dolly following unanimous vote. So they're renaming this airport that's in Nashville Dolly Parton will be memorialized in her hometown as Nashville Airport has unanimously voted to change its name to include the music and philanthropy icon. It says here, since Dolly Parton's passing last month at age 80, a petition to change the name of Nashville's airport quickly made the rounds, gaining thousands of signatures in days.

39:06 Speaker 4: The petition was actually originally made in January, but following Dolly's death, fans agreed that it was an excellent way to honor the vast impact of the beloved musician's and philanthropist. Okay, so this was actually, that's interesting, this was already in motion prior to her passing. It says, at a meeting on September 11, officials at the Metro Nashville Airport Authority voted unanimously for the name change. The Tennessee governor, Bill Lee, who backed the idea, said, quote, at a place where Tennessee welcomes the world, It is fitting that Nashville International Airport would bear the name of our state's favorite daughter and greet travelers with the enduring legacy of Dolly's music, generosity, faith, and kindness, unquote.

39:53 Speaker 4: While it's only the first step in a lengthy bureaucratic process to fully enact the name change, Local elected officials, airport executives, and the authority board are all united on that front. Airport president and CEO Doug Krulin is authorized to immediately begin work to implement the change already. He confirmed that he had a very productive meeting with the Parton family earlier this week. Notably, making the change possible involved the airport authority voting against its own pre-existing rule that prevents facilities from being renamed after people who have died until two years after their passing.

40:31 Speaker 4: Dolly even weighed in on the proposal herself early last year, telling Belmont University, quote, I think that's probably more of a joke than anything. I mean, it does sound like a lot of fun to say your flight is departing from Nashville's departing. Unquote. The iconic singer, actor, and philanthropist passed away on August 25 at the age of 80 following a brief battle with cancer that her family revealed only after her death. They did so to honor her wishes to keep her condition private while she was still alive, in part to avoid worrying her fans.

41:05 Speaker 4: That reminds me of when David Bowie passed away a number of years ago. It was kind of a similar thing where he had been battling cancer for But he had kept it, and everyone around him had kept it so quiet. The few that knew, they kept it so quiet that it was a shock to wake up to the news because the general public had no idea that he was sick. One more quick thing that I want to get to, and then we've got to get to a break. Show some love to our amazing sponsors. And then coming up in the third hour, Dennis and Troy from The Gray Curtain will be here with us in studio.

41:38 Speaker 4: Can't wait to talk with them. But, you know, we talk a lot on the show about A.I., and how AI is affecting the music industry and how the music industry continues to move through that, navigate that, and so forth. And there are a lot of varying opinions about it. Some people are very, very, very anti-anything AI. Suno is a popular AI app where you can enter some prompts and it'll create music for you. Suno... Oh, I'm sorry, I should tell you, this is from.

42:11 Speaker 4: Which website is this from? Oh, I'm sorry. This is from musicbusinessworldwide.com. I always want to credit the site. Musicbusinessworldwide.com has an article up. This actually just went up a couple days ago. Suno admits it obtained YouTube audio to train its AI. but challenges UMG and Sony's standing to bring stream ripping claim. So UMG, we were just talking about UMG a minute ago when Limp Bizkit sued UMG. UMG, one of the major labels. Sony, another one of the major labels who brought this lawsuit against Suno.

42:45 Speaker 4: It says here, Suno has admitted in a court filing that it obtained audio data from... from YouTube for use as training data. The admission appears in the AI music company's answer to the first amended complaint from UMG, Capitol Records, and Sony. So there's actually three major labels involved in this lawsuit against Suno. Suno also alleges that the labels have engaged in, quote, anti-competitive activities that extend... An unlawful monopoly over music, unquote. And it challenges whether they have standing to bring their YouTube stream ripping claim.

43:21 Speaker 4: And by the way, so stream ripping, so if you play something on YouTube and you record it, or you download it and you use it for other purposes, that's, I guess, in a broad sense, that would be what we mean by stream ripping. Or if you extract something from it, that's stream ripping. Because YouTube is not designed for you to be able to just download things. Unless, I guess, if you have YouTube Premium, you can download things, right? But if you just have a generic YouTube account, which is free, obviously, but you can't just go on YouTube and download things.

43:58 Speaker 4: You can only play them unless you

44:02 Speaker 4: get around that, which is actually extraordinarily easy. But anyway, but that would be stream ripping.

44:11 Speaker 3: Okay.

44:13 Speaker 4: The 26-page document was filed on September 1 in the U.S. District Court for the District of Massachusetts and reviewed by Music Business Worldwide.

44:21 Speaker 3: Okay.

44:26 Speaker 4: Here's something from the complaint. Quote, Suno admits that audio data was obtained from YouTube for use as training data using YTDLP, the filing states in response to paragraph 49 of the label's complaint. The paragraph alleges Suno used two tools, YTDL, which I assume stands for YouTube download, and YTDLP to, quote, circumvent YouTube's encryption and scrape copyrighted recordings from YouTube, unquote.

44:55 Speaker 4: Suno's response names only YTDLP. By the way, let me just tell you without saying too much, there's a bunch of these tools, this YTDL, whatever. There are, if you look, there are a lot, I'm not saying you should do it. I'm just telling you, you don't have to look hard to find things that will let you download things from YouTube or scrape that data. It's not difficult at all. And I guess no one has figured out how to prevent that very specific form of piracy, but it's super easy. Now, finding sites that you can do that with that are safe, where you don't risk malware on your computer, I would just say this.

45:44 Speaker 4: Make sure you have a really good... No, I would not say this. Okay, if you were to hypothetically do such a thing, which you should not do, but if you happen to do it anyway, which you shouldn't, shame on you, bad, bad, bad. But if you do do it, you would want to hypothetically, theoretically, have a really good antivirus program on your computer. That's what I wanted to say. Okay. But don't do that. That's bad. That's wrong. Don't be naughty.

46:16 Speaker 8: Okay.

46:17 Speaker 4: Uh, Sue knows a second affirmative defense argues that the labels claims are barred in whole or in part by copyright misuse and unclean hands language. It is pleaded word for word since its first answer in August, 2024. Um, I think we're going to stop there. If you want to read the whole article, it's up at music business worldwide, but my throat is getting very dry. I need a drink of water.

46:43 Speaker 7: Hmm.

46:48 Speaker 4: And it is almost time for a break. So here's what we're going to do. I'm going to sneak in.

46:53 Speaker 7: Oh, boy.

46:54 Speaker 4: My throat is very dry. I'm really struggling here. I'm going to sneak in one more track from our hour number one guest, TNK. If you missed it, they put out an album of reimagined Beatles songs. Very interesting stuff. What was the other one that I wanted to play that we didn't get a chance to play yet? Let's play this one. Let's play The Inner Light. This is cool. And then we're going to show some love to our amazing sponsors. And then when we come back for you live listeners on Saturday, in hour number three, Numero Tres, Dennis and Troy from The Great Curtain will be here with us in the studio.

47:34 Speaker 4: But I need to gulp the rest of that water, so we're going to do this right now.

47:40 Speaker 7: Here it is.

47:42 Speaker 4: This is from... I keep having to look at making sure I'm pronouncing it correctly. T-N-K-E. And this is called The Inner Light.

48:10 Speaker 10: The Inner Light I can know all things on earth.

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48:20 Speaker 10: My window I can know the ways of heaven With all the one trouble The last one knows.

48:37 Speaker 4: The last one will.

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